Worst magazine I have laid eyes on period.
FFS there is some shit written in all seriousness these days.
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Worst magazine I have laid eyes on period.
FFS there is some shit written in all seriousness these days.
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Mate I haven't picked up a hunting magazine in years. I used to subscribe to a couple but they lost me as an audience due to sameness between editions.
you lads should have a look at the hunting mags in the uk, you only think your ones are bad
It wasn't mine. But where I am staying has a few lying around for people to browse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
The 2 mins of silence I get out of flicking thru one always leaves me feeling pretty remorseful and a bit cheap.😆
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Maybe the recent clean out of staff may make it better?
But somehow how I doubt it.
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Have never read it, didn't know it existed till now, what is wrong with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Maybe someone could start a thread about what we like/want/don't like in a hunting mag, and then deliver the findings to those that make the things.
Its good for "dunny" reading though. Dual purpose even, in emergencies :)Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Dreadful, isn't it?
Yeah it is dreadful
Better off with a dock leaf that shiny paper is shit useless.I thought I was the only that didn't get anything out of those mags ,bit like the fishing shows on Saturday."This is what we caught " not how ,what bait ,tide etc or a GPS mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
May as well keep learning how my way & some times I get lucky.
I stopped reading it when they started doing stories of canned hunts. But yeah as above, I haven't brought a hunting magazine in years, they're all the same
Ditto.
It's all of them really. They are somewhat repetitive as Rushy mentioned as well. My pet hate is seeing strokefest pics.
I like to think my son has been brought up hunting and fishing with sound guidance so that he can enjoy the outdoors and shooting if he wishes to, with a wee head start for the future.
He has seen shitloads of animals, alive and dead. He has been hunting with some well grounded people.
He is 100 times the marksman I was at his age.
Yet unfortunately he reads some of these mags. (I will pierce my pecker with a rusty self tapping hexhead, if ya ever find one in my house😆)
And takes a lot of the stuff in them as gospel. They must know more than you and such and such coz they write for a magazine.
I should swat up on some Playstation mags so I can pass on some annoying advice.
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Weird I was thinking about this very subject last night.
It must be a tough industry when competing with free online information/data bases etc and the number of magazines being purchased would surly be in decline because of it?
Most of my interest is in new equipment not so much story's.
A review on a Tikka T3 in 243 is a bit ho hum this day and age..my pet hate is misleading titles..against my better judgement I buy thinking it will be different each time..."What to look for in a Suppressor" translates to a story about an ASE..
That magazine is easily the worst,surprised it`s still on the market!
Last time I looked at one it was mostly stories like "Uncle Bob and Cousin Dick go deer shooting" with too much swearing,references to drinking and some really shocking gory photos that should not have been published IMO.
Our local Public Library was getting it for their magazine rack.Had a chat with the head librarian and now they subscribe to Rod and Rifle instead.
Personally like NZ Guns & Hunting for the test reviews and ads. I don`t read the hunting stories.
Has anyone ever read an honest, unbiased (ie unpaid for) gear report in any mag?
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Originally Posted by Pengy
Let me think............................................. ..um, um...............................no not based on the information on the articles.
Some one gave me a subscription as a present, ran out a couple of years ago but was pestered by them to renew for months, all pc crap, never a bad product, nothing leaks. Only one looked after is the wholesalers etc.
LOL, I hope your pet librarian never drops in here for a look then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by rockland
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No. And to be my critical self I am sure I have yet to see a decent group shot and published.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
Some of the shooting is average at best from reputable gear.
And some of the people these mags have got to test shotguns over the years I have never heard of.
You get to know who is who when you shoot the clay target circut.
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Your right ,a 50mm group even at 50m doesn't really cut it but the fact the group is 75mm low & 85mm right of center makes me wonder how many animals the expert that did it has shot. Wouldn't even hit many rabbits I would think.
I suspect the Des Coe's, Paul Vincent & John Wooley's of NZ don't get asked to do the test because most of the shot guns feature are below there standard of half descent. As for all the other crap ,WTF is it for ?
You guys think you might have some unrealistic expectations?
"Never read a bad review" - of course you haven't read a bad review because the bad reviews don't get printed :D You expect the writers to buy the gear they review? No, it is supplied to them and most likely by companies that already pay for advertisement in the magazines. And writers and editors do not bite the hand that feeds them. The magazines are a competitive market, so printing bad reviews gets you less advertising income and less items to review.
Also writers don't often get a piece of gear for months on end to use prior to putting something to print and as the vast majority of them also have day jobs and families they aren't exactly full time in the hills - so if a bit of kit doesn't fail on them in the first couple to four trips then they will write that - of course that doesn't mean the same bit of kit will therefore last someone 20 years.
“Never seen a good group” – yep, again not surprising considering writers basically have to stick with factory ammunition and that stuff isn’t cheap considering what writers get paid for a magazine article. And please forgive the writer for not wasting ammunition to re-sight the rifle in every time they tray another ammunition through it! There is likely some discussion here of practical accuracy compared to "it does 0.5MOA but I never shoot it that way in the hills". You are right though - some writers, including myself, simply can’t shoot a decent 100m group… :oh noes:
"Never heard of the shotgun writers" - not surprising this either - the shotgun writers are unlikely to be competitive shooters - most writers are not. As a competitive pistol and shotgun shooter yourself R93 would you be happy putting your training at risk by learning a new trigger, new stock, new ammunition every month?
A little while ago I offered one of the wholesalers the opportunity to send me one of their new long range scopes. I had a couple of long range steel competitions coming up and I would have been able to run a direct comparison of their new scope against some of the top end brands. You can see this as a risk for them though? What happens if their brand new and reasonably untested scope doesn’t stack up in direct comparison to the competition… and so it is safer for them to send it to someone who will test it by itself. Same could well be said for a shotgun, pistol, or essentially any piece of kit.
Now I do a little bit of writing for NZ Guns & Hunting (so go ahead and make your assumptions about my bias for this post :thumbsup:). I only do a little bit of writing because I don't have the patience for it and most of the time I don't feel I have sufficient expertise to comment much. I have only really done product reviews on stuff I have personally brought and so my negative comments have been limited to little things (and for the most part these negative comments have made it to print). My writing is also not so flash and I tend to try and focus more on photography than the actual article content.
Anyway, I was given a bit of advice from a writer I respect a few years ago - they said "only write something in a review based on your own experience, if the review goes bad then write that, if it felt cheap but worked for you then write that, if it was awesome then write that – let your editor decide what to publish or not publish”.
But bottom line the consumer votes with their money and you guys don't bother buying magazines... I do recommend though that you give writing a go for yourself – writing 3 or 4 articles will go a long way to pay for your next helicopter trip! :D
By the by - this post is one of the reasons some of what I write doesn't get printed - I simply don't know when to shut up, meaning a few of my articles are simply too long to be printed. A couple of years ago, after reading a couple of articles on shooting technique I didn't agree with, I wrote up my shooting approach at a long range steel competition (mostly a field competition). I went into detail about position set up, natural point of aim, hard hold vs free recoil, bipod technique, wind calling and bracketing, rapid fire technique, some reloading considerations, hand placement, breathing, holding vs dialing wind, competition tactics, mind set, etc... but it ended up so long it will never be printed.
My suggestion is not to take it personally.
I stand by my observations and do not see factory ammo as an excuse. A lot of rifle reviews I have seen, are done with reloads and factory ammo.
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Id like to read that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
I get it free from the mother in law as a subscription, so yes, its my dunny reading!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
says the guy with over 8000 posts most of which is pure bla bla bla?Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
No worries R93, if i had taken something personally i wouldn't have bothered to reply - just trying to show the other side of the argument. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
If a base requirement of being a magazine writer was being an exceptional reloader and an exceptional shooter there there would be very few writers. Also in my experience, you simply don't get paid enough for articles to warrant going through a reasonable load development for a rifle. A bit different if you already have the reloading components and a range of suitable powders and projectiles on hand but otherwise the writer will have to pay for that out of their own pocket.
You are such a joy germ Scoped. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by scoped
The forum has an ignore function, you should use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoped
Or have missed that like you missed the irony in your post.😆
On reflection I agree with you, but no one has to pay good coin to read my drivel.
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Those 8k+ make some of the drivel readable & help to maintain some semblance of normality that makes the multitude of posts at least readable.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoped
Perhaps a little gratitude to R93 would be in order?
How bout posting the article here where it will be appreciated ?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
My shooting sucks arse so any advice is good...
I don't mind being a Salmon and swimming against the current, So I don't mind saying that I enjoy nearly all of the magazines. I don't necessarily buy them all but generally think they are a good read. My other hobby is muscle cars, now I read all of those magazines as well. I may not agree with everything written in every article but it is a subject I enjoy reading about it regardless of the articles viewpoint.
Hunters are all different, have different viewpoints, ethics and methods they like to use. No article is going to cater for every taste. And remember besides the regular contributors and the editors reviews, the stories are sent in by "Average Joe's" who are giving a go at writing about their hobbies or trip. I think good on them and if they have taken quite a few hours writing about their story to fiordland/stewart island/southern alps then it doesn't hurt to read it.
I would rather have magazines on the shelf covering my favourite pastime than them all to be removed because some people think they are crap!
I wonder if this will be like a gun city thread that everybody will bag the shit out of them cos it's fashionable to do so be but secretly by stuff from. Personally I don't mind the hunting/shooting magazines. I regularly by nz guns n hunting off n on the Nz outdoors n sometimes though very rarely Greg duleys masterpiece NZ hunter for the plain fact I get something out of it and quite often sporting shooter just because I can.
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I buy them all off the shelf when home a couple times a year.
It's the only bit of sanity I get when working away from home.
Yes some of the articles don't do it for me.
But some stories are well done.
I used to buy them every month but now only if i am down at the store and have a quick browse and see an article or test that interests me.
I enjoy gillies articles as thats one of my interests.
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I don't buy them to often. I used to but never turn down a free copy and im not one to read them front to back either but if I see a familiar face or something I maybe interested in I will read it more just browse through them looking at what animals have been hunted who's doing it and were what's new to the market ect so I don't mind them
You should get the latest R93, your idle is on the front cover
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What was Vladimir Putin doing in Nz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smiddy
Actually I was looking for a copy coz I heard there is a real sasquatch called Smiddy in it😆
I will make sure I get to read it😆
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I got a years free Rod and Rifle subscription once. By chance it had all the Wap blocks so was a good score. Don't buy them otherwise. @Pointer just pinch's them anyway hahahahahaha jokes bro ;)
The prodigal son returns.