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Rees the OFF TOPIC to Stags shot... 09-04-2021, 07:48 PM
Kelton My view is each to their own,... 09-04-2021, 08:05 PM
chindit Someone should put up the... 09-04-2021, 09:00 PM
Rees i did make a thread about it... 09-04-2021, 11:04 PM
Kelton Yea that's epic il try dig it... 10-04-2021, 08:31 AM
Kelton https://sikafoundation.co.nz/h... 10-04-2021, 08:34 AM
Stocky I'll preface all following... 09-04-2021, 09:55 PM
Chur Bay I think it also depends where... 09-04-2021, 08:52 PM
Stocky I agree in a sense but a poor... 09-04-2021, 10:06 PM
Micky Duck the last couple of issues of... 09-04-2021, 09:03 PM
Stocky It can be a hard change but... 09-04-2021, 10:13 PM
Cigar Shooting females makes sense,... 09-04-2021, 09:18 PM
Ftx325 I shoot well more females... 09-04-2021, 09:33 PM
Stocky Yeh I find hunting solo so... 09-04-2021, 10:26 PM
Stocky Good points some I struggled... 09-04-2021, 10:22 PM
Chur Bay I got 40 kg of meat from last... 09-04-2021, 10:28 PM
Chur Bay Correct. It's harder to be... 09-04-2021, 10:26 PM
Stocky Completely understand. Grew... 09-04-2021, 11:01 PM
Rees Good call RE the bush... 09-04-2021, 11:22 PM
Micky Duck which brings up another... 09-04-2021, 10:45 PM
bigbear A comment some where about... 10-04-2021, 07:22 AM
Stocky Definitely won't find an... 10-04-2021, 12:19 PM
Moa Hunter 164811164813 This three year... 10-04-2021, 10:53 AM
gimp Kill all goats to improve... 10-04-2021, 11:31 AM
Stocky This is pretty much my mantra... 10-04-2021, 12:32 PM
Stocky In fairness Garth you do work... 10-04-2021, 12:29 PM
gimp I have not been able to find... 10-04-2021, 11:29 AM
Moa Hunter The only really good info... 10-04-2021, 12:57 PM
gimp Don't forget the ribs! I've... 10-04-2021, 03:20 PM
Moa Hunter How do you prep ribs Gimp? I... 10-04-2021, 04:00 PM
gimp I take the ribs off either... 10-04-2021, 04:03 PM
gimp Of course, in making this... 10-04-2021, 04:02 PM
bumblefoot I'm really impressed with the... 10-04-2021, 03:59 PM
gimp Antler quality for trophy... 10-04-2021, 04:09 PM
Rees Im not selling to general... 10-04-2021, 04:10 PM
gimp To me it seems easier to sell... 10-04-2021, 04:13 PM
Rees Thanks for expressing your... 10-04-2021, 04:15 PM
Moa Hunter In the early days of our wild... 10-04-2021, 04:32 PM
gimp Can you expand on this? Do... 10-04-2021, 04:37 PM
Moa Hunter What I was referring to was... 11-04-2021, 10:07 AM
Rees also side note- alot of kiwi... 10-04-2021, 04:09 PM
gimp Speaking of generally... 10-04-2021, 04:10 PM
gimp Demonstrate the tangible... 10-04-2021, 04:15 PM
gimp The economic aspect of... 10-04-2021, 04:40 PM
Stocky I'd argue WARO is potentially... 10-04-2021, 10:18 PM
gimp I agree, I should have stated... 11-04-2021, 01:07 AM
gimp This is a good listen for a... 10-04-2021, 04:45 PM
bigbear Up here on the east coast the... 10-04-2021, 08:03 PM
Stocky Are they actually saying they... 10-04-2021, 10:21 PM
Stocky I'm guilty of taking shanks... 10-04-2021, 09:50 PM
gimp The management agency needs... 10-04-2021, 10:00 PM
Stocky I called Wayne Costello to... 10-04-2021, 10:27 PM
gimp I don't doubt this. However... 11-04-2021, 01:12 AM
Stocky Pm me I'll let you know its... 11-04-2021, 10:52 AM
bigbear Soon as you go to a... 10-04-2021, 10:10 PM
Stocky I don't nessatily agree. If... 10-04-2021, 10:33 PM
gimp Ungulates in NZ require... 11-04-2021, 01:02 AM
Happy Jack Just watched the local WARO... 11-04-2021, 10:53 AM
Stocky Few gut piles up above the... 11-04-2021, 11:15 AM
Chur Bay At what age are fawns able to... 11-04-2021, 02:29 PM
Stocky I have no idea to be fair... 11-04-2021, 03:09 PM
Moa Hunter This is not a straight... 11-04-2021, 04:59 PM
Rees Id say suprisingly Early in... 12-04-2021, 01:55 AM
Woody Pretty sure red deer female... 12-04-2021, 08:36 AM
Moa Hunter In the very rare cases of... 12-04-2021, 09:24 AM
Rees well in the 3 months, every... 12-04-2021, 11:11 AM
Micky Duck if you look at similar... 12-04-2021, 12:15 PM
bigbear I don't disagree Micky and am... 12-04-2021, 12:36 PM
Stocky Agree totally however I've... 12-04-2021, 01:01 PM
Rees there could and would be some... 12-04-2021, 01:09 PM
bigbear I still think going ahead we... 12-04-2021, 01:38 PM
Stocky I think the GAC is the way... 12-04-2021, 02:47 PM
Gibo A few roars back I had a fawn... 12-04-2021, 12:19 PM
WireWorking A very interesting thread... 12-04-2021, 12:58 PM
bigbear I Like the idea of a tag... 12-04-2021, 01:30 PM
Stocky I agree. Should be area based... 12-04-2021, 02:42 PM
Tahr Its my experience that mostly... 12-04-2021, 12:59 PM
Rees anyway, theyve been... 12-04-2021, 01:06 PM
Tahr The herds of special interest... 12-04-2021, 01:32 PM
Stocky There was a big resistance to... 12-04-2021, 02:43 PM
Ned Playing devils advocate... 12-04-2021, 03:43 PM
Moa Hunter Tag fees would go into... 12-04-2021, 06:30 PM
Stocky No ones ever suggested tags... 12-04-2021, 08:10 PM
gimp Re: hind breeding age - it... 12-04-2021, 06:35 PM
Stocky . 12-04-2021, 08:41 PM
gimp In all these examples the tag... 12-04-2021, 09:38 PM
Stocky . 13-04-2021, 12:47 AM
gimp Those people are probably... 13-04-2021, 06:41 PM
Tahr gimp... 12-04-2021, 06:49 PM
gimp Thanks, I've actually read... 12-04-2021, 06:50 PM
Tahr Great topic for your post... 12-04-2021, 07:51 PM
Stocky Thanks that's a great read I... 12-04-2021, 08:13 PM
gimp Interestingly reading the... 12-04-2021, 08:39 PM
gimp I was appreciating somehow... 13-04-2021, 06:33 PM
Stocky It was a nice change wasn't... 13-04-2021, 07:45 PM
gimp One note on the... 13-04-2021, 06:50 PM
Stocky Exactly I think your point on... 13-04-2021, 08:09 PM
gimp I personally shot 5 deer on... 13-04-2021, 09:14 PM
Stocky Did you see the Tahr... 13-04-2021, 10:07 PM
gimp Subsidised access flights for... 13-04-2021, 10:20 PM
Micky Duck the idea of a subsidised... 13-04-2021, 10:05 PM
Stocky I think people are pretty... 13-04-2021, 10:16 PM
Micky Duck once upon a time when you got... 13-04-2021, 10:16 PM
gimp It's difficult to overcome 90... 13-04-2021, 10:18 PM
Stocky I too thought some payment... 13-04-2021, 10:28 PM
Micky Duck Ive heard same argument... 13-04-2021, 10:30 PM
Danny I think ill cut and paste two... 14-04-2021, 04:42 PM
Moa Hunter I am sure that your... 14-04-2021, 05:07 PM
Stocky I think this post falls... 14-04-2021, 07:38 PM
Rees Yeah this is a bit head in... 15-04-2021, 11:45 AM
tiroahunta Some quite informative posts... 14-04-2021, 04:56 PM
gimp A good and factually correct... 14-04-2021, 05:14 PM
Moa Hunter Would the following work as a... 14-04-2021, 05:18 PM
gimp It could work, and is... 14-04-2021, 07:18 PM
Stocky Agree with this however I... 14-04-2021, 07:51 PM
Stocky I'm not picking on grammar... 14-04-2021, 07:43 PM
Danny the OFF TOPIC to Stags shot 21 14-04-2021, 05:08 PM
Maxx Some really good posts in the... 14-04-2021, 07:24 PM
Stocky I agree and think that was a... 14-04-2021, 07:57 PM
Tahr Of course too, DOC are... 14-04-2021, 08:02 PM
Stocky Yes for sure and I understand... 14-04-2021, 08:31 PM
Maxx Yes, but it seems that they... 15-04-2021, 12:56 PM
gimp The converse is also... 14-04-2021, 09:51 PM
Tahr I think that the concept of ... 14-04-2021, 07:42 PM
gimp I think this is also what I'm... 14-04-2021, 09:49 PM
Tahr Eloquently, I think is the... 14-04-2021, 09:59 PM
gimp It's very kind of you to... 14-04-2021, 10:01 PM
Tahr Understood, now. Carry on. 14-04-2021, 10:15 PM
gimp I've added an addendum to the... 14-04-2021, 10:13 PM
Moa Hunter Years ago we used to knock... 14-04-2021, 11:21 PM
Stocky Thing is we also need to... 15-04-2021, 12:48 AM
Ned There is some irony there. I... 15-04-2021, 06:56 AM
Stocky DOC or fish and game? 15-04-2021, 10:33 AM
Ned Lake Taupo trout fishery is... 15-04-2021, 10:53 AM
bigbear So hey kiwi hunter you shoot... 15-04-2021, 07:39 AM
Moa Hunter Nothing is perfect in life,... 15-04-2021, 09:19 AM
gimp Really need to define what... 15-04-2021, 09:30 AM
Moa Hunter The outcome I would like to... 15-04-2021, 11:53 PM
Stocky I definitely don't agree that... 15-04-2021, 10:22 AM
hunt08 I 100% agree with you that's... 16-04-2021, 09:28 PM
Stocky I disagree it would end up... 16-04-2021, 11:23 PM
Rees RE wapiti, yeha Foreigners to... 15-04-2021, 11:49 AM
WireWorking Having re read all 12 pages i... 15-04-2021, 12:48 PM
Moa Hunter Sorry for double post above.... 16-04-2021, 09:43 AM
Stocky I don't believe things have... 16-04-2021, 11:12 PM
Moa Hunter The first problem is that... 17-04-2021, 12:14 AM
Rees nailed it. thats what... 17-04-2021, 12:24 AM
gimp DOC is probably the biggest... 17-04-2021, 12:39 AM
Rees yeah fair points there too... 17-04-2021, 12:13 AM
gimp I don't think the statement... 17-04-2021, 12:24 AM
hunt08 But problems with the ruhnies... 18-04-2021, 08:48 AM
bigbear Last year before going south... 17-04-2021, 02:52 PM
gimp In general, most DOC district... 17-04-2021, 03:09 PM
gimp It's also horrifically... 17-04-2021, 03:21 PM
Happy Jack It seems the maps are slower... 17-04-2021, 08:02 PM
gimp One important observation... 17-04-2021, 04:40 PM
Maxx I'm gonna go have a look at... 19-04-2021, 12:45 PM
Moa Hunter In the South Island very... 19-04-2021, 03:56 PM
gimp Nope. 20-04-2021, 09:59 PM
gimp An interesting question... 17-04-2021, 05:04 PM
gimp It's more correct and fair... 17-04-2021, 05:20 PM
bigbear Stocky have you hunted the... 18-04-2021, 10:36 AM
Stocky Yes grew up in the Bay of... 18-04-2021, 02:47 PM
bigbear Here stocky. "Australian... 18-04-2021, 10:45 AM
Stocky Newshub not prone to... 18-04-2021, 03:01 PM
Moa Hunter Reflecting on this further,... 18-04-2021, 09:27 PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbear View Post
    Last year before going south i had a couple areas of interest so i made contact with doc and ask to speak with a field officer, I wanted to get a idea of animal numbers in a couple areas. They were completely useless and had no idea and were of no help. .
    This day and age you should be able to go on there web site load up one of there maps and all the overlays should have the information on it, also should have a tahr and waro overlay.
    Like if you bring up x valley all the over lays they have should show recent 1080, high animal numbers or culls they have had in that area
    I have found you have to jump backwards and forward trying to gather information on there
    In general, most DOC district offices don't have any formal wild animal monitoring programmes to inform answers to this sort of question. Individual staff may have personal anecdotal knowledge but you'd be relying on finding the right person to talk to.

    The only thing that really exists is the Tier 1 monitoring. This is a Nationwide broadscale monitoring program of biodiversity, and the work includes faecal pellet counts which give a relative abundance index of ungulates.

    It's important to note that it is only measured to the level of "ungulates" - which includes deer, chamois, tahr, goats - not to a finer level of specific species.

    More about the Tier 1 program and results can be found publicly available on the DOC website - https://www.doc.govt.nz/our-work/mon...-level-report/


    This isn't the most user-friendly system but it's publicly available monitoring data on ungulate abundance on PCL.

    You can select an individual monitoring plot from the interactive map, e.g. I have selected a plot on D'urville Island



    If you then scroll down and use the drop-down menus you can generate a histogram that shows that this plot has an ungulate FPI (Faecal pellet index) of 184.95, and this gives you a visual representation of where that figure falls across the range of FPI on plots nationally - it appears to be towards the higher end.



    You can then scroll down further and see a table of what mammal species were observed to be present through sign, sightings, or DNA sampling - in this case no possums (unsurprising as there are none known to be on D'urville island), pigs, and ungulates.


 

 

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