Thread: the OFF TOPIC to Stags shot 21 (discussion of wild animal management)

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Originally Posted by Stocky

I disagree it would end up just foreigners shooting the mature animals as its an easy solve by limiting % of foreign hunters and by making them pay more so less foreigners apply. Keep local prices low and subsidised. Just like how the NZ university system works. A 25k degree for a kiwi is a 100K degree for a foreigner. The foreigners money subsidies the degree for kiwis along with taxes. While I think unis are a disgrace in terms of being a left wing idealogical brainwashing camp but that irrelevant. (funny that off topic in the off topic thread.)

That is a good point about anti hunter groups but what stops them making the same claim about Fiordland or The ballot blocks?

Something I've come to realise is its not the Hunters of the anti hunters that are important. It's the majority that aren't either as they make up 90% of the population. We are only allowed to continue hunting as long as on a whole the non hunters agree with what we are doing. We can try convince them hunting a good thing and the antis obviously do the opposite. I think if the system was instituted similarly with improvements on the FWF we could show the benefits of hunting on conservation. And as long as the focus is put on mature animals not just points and antlers then it's a feasible option. But it's a great point to add to the discussion as it definitely needs considering.[/QU


Ok with your way you paying to hunt heads in some doc land & turns out to work how long before the government charges every hunter to pay before hunting on doc land couse they need $ for a cycle way or some shit

Its not just about heads its also about forcing take to be focused on Hinds because stags aren't an option unless you have a tag/license. I think we as hunters should be paying for a license (Cheap $20-30 for the 3 month permit) to hunt so that we can fund a management system focused on us rather than just letting DOC manage it where 90% of the time hunting is being managed by some anti hunting forest and bird Alumni. If we had a hunter based management system we would have a more stable set of guidelines and not this mess where every few years we get someone like Sage coming in an doing there best to get her goals sorted with no concern for hunters. I get the fear for it but seriously its not hard (relatively) to target funding in legislation so it can only be used for a certain purpose.

Plus a point that i thinks being missed is that what percentage of hunters that re in the headwaters of areas like the whitcombe, wilberforce, rakaia are doing anything other than trophy hunting. The only difference is on a whole they are panicked that someone else will get it that they shoot animals they know are young anyway. This cycle leads to them walking past hinds and removing the future mature stags. Its clearly counter intuitive. We are not talking the front country with easy access we are talking the hard to reach remote areas that meat hunting isn't feasible.

We already pay for Ballots and DOC dont make money on it every year after administration costs etc.

We arent suggesting just making people pay first its been suggested

First we establish the GAC to legally manage Wild game populations with a determined set of objectives (even if at the start those objectives are just to gain information on populations and effects on the environment). Determine what is possible under the legal framework and what things are potentially able to be changed to allow the most effective management.

Then we establish a source of funding to pay for this (partially DOC funding, potentially from charging international hunters license fees and trophy export fees, then potentially by charging nz hunters a much lower license fee.) Any funding coming directly from hunters to be legally bound to be spent on hunting related management and conservation projects as overseen by the GAC.

Down the line see where any herds of special interest can be established and potentially managed by a hunter based organization. Ie Wapiti by the FWF, Tahr by the Tahr Foundation, Potentially a Rakaia or Otago Red Deer Foundation could be formed, etc to cover a few niche groups. We are on a whole talking areas that are limited access that could be set aside for management for mature stags adding value to charge hunters that want to hunt those areas more. Using that money we can run more conservation projects such as those being run by the FWF in Fiordland.

The reason Fiordland is getting more popular is the fact you actually have a fairly good chance of finding a mature bull comparatively to most other areas even though populations are being reduced selectively each year. The blocks are hard to access and remote meaning minimized effects of rec hunters losing hunting area.