protocol when shown hunting block or taken for hunt.

I had thought this was in a sticky,but cant seem to find it...so will start a fresh thread.

this can be a great way for young person or person with little experience to gain some,BUT there are unwritten rules (so I will write then down) failure to follow them tends to piss people off no end and leads to lack of trust and no more offers of same for the next newbie...which ultimately will kill off our sport.
If you are fortunate enough to be taken away for a hunt by someone else to an area you DONT NORMALLY HUNT YOURSELF..... you leave the block alone afterwards unless specifically told its ok to go back.... the area is the teachers home turf,the last thing they want is every tom dick n harry shooting the shit out of it..... photos plastered on facebook/hunting pages or even this forum which identify spot are a huge NO NO.... there are folks who troll pages looking for just this type of heads up as to where animals are.
PRIVATE land is even more so...you just DO NOT go back or ring up to ask if you can...it stuffs up access for the origonal fella and let me tell you this...it really fcuks guys off more than just about anything else...we work hard ,sometimes for years to gain access to farms and when someone you try to help roots it for you....it is a real kick in the balls. DO NOT DO IT.
now public land/DOC controlled land is a little bit more of a grey area but it is still very bad form to go back and hunt area you were taken to without specifically being told its ok to do so....again it takes years to get to know a block half properly , it only takes one person to stuff it up by being greedy and shooting crap out of it,or letting on to others who do so...sometimes its completely innocently done...but he damage is done.


you dont take GPS and pin spots when taken out on fishing trip...same reasons apply.

an offer to pay for gas always goes a long way,if you invited back for another hunt/fish the offer to take your wagon does too. gas isnt cheap.

there was young fella on here 2 years ago...went out for hunt in new to him area,he was sucessful and posted photos up....I sent him PM immediately and confirmed where he had been..it took me less than 2 minutes on google earth to work it out...he took one photo down and area was again not obvious.
if putting up photos,promonent landmarks ,road signs,track signs,hut names are all dead giveaways to where you were so show respect to fella who has taken you out and dont give away location.

Often someone will ask for where to head out for a hunt......unless you know them well and trust them to keep quiet..dont give away your number #1 location...or even the #2-3 spots...but do give them place to head with some reasonable expectation of seeing game.
Im as guilty as next fella of giving away my good spots,so far it hasnt bitten me in bum.... to those fellas who have gone for a look and kept quiet about it..THANKYOU.

stay safe out there folks.

These are the "rules" I grew up with and I live by. No exceptions was the rules my mentors gave me. Althought they took me to some cool hunting spots I never even thought of going back without them or even asking........................


I have always found it difficult to ask landowners for access as essentially I am asking a complete stranger I do not know to do me a favor and trust I wont cause them any problems when I have nothing to offer them in return as my skill set is not "rural" related

PM me and I'll tell you all @Micky Duck's spots.

Been there, done that. I've taken people to a few of my spots for them to take a mate later on or not even ask if I wanted to come along, or not reciprocate years later with one of their own spots.

I would rather now bump into a hunter in the bush/track and exchange numbers if they were open to the idea so that in the future we share experiences or knowledge on the area, or don't frequent the same place at the same time.

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PM me and I'll tell you all @Micky Duck's spots.

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farigan barstages....may the fleas of a thousand camels and all that.....

iv taken many people out to shoot their first deer, and it is kind of annoying getting a text the next week "went back and shot another deer in that spot we were at last week". i dont stress the point that hunting spots take a lot of time and hard work but iv always lived by the rule if you get taken to a spot you dont go back without the person who took you there. i hunt mostly public land so there is the argument that anyone can go there at anytime but i still believe you should do your own hard work to find a good spot and dont thrash the one spot you get shown cus you shot a deer there once before.

Don't you need webbed feet to hunt them :)

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PM me and I'll tell you all @Micky Duck's spots.

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All good pints and I thought people knew them.
Just like leave every gate how you found it.

Just kidding, there are stupid people in the world "They walk among us"

My mate has been given access to a private property that looks promising for Deer. He's the mad keen Deer hunter and my experience is with pests etc.
We both have to travel from our respective towns some way but we have shot together and I said I want to hunt with him. Some meat will be a measure of a successful hunt. He might take a trophy if he sees something special.

He's going on ahead, I asked when does he want me to arrive and what does he need me to arrange. He's buying some beer for the manager and I'm chipping in it's all that's been asked.
I won't be trying to work my way in with his contact because I want to go hunt the forest nearer to where the same mate lives and I'm hoping he will take me along when the stars align.
I'm sure he will it's simply fitting time and travel.

I’ll add some “protocol” for hunting private blocks.

Listen CAREFULLY when you speak to the farmer before you go in, if he says “let me know when you’re off the property and how you got on” and then you fail to do that, then said farmer will probably be a bit upset if he has been out scouting around at 9pm to make sure you haven’t come a cropper. He will be especially upset when you ignore his voicemail and text messages afterwards and then just show up a few weeks later expecting everything to be all good.

Leave things how you f**king found them! This gets thrown around so much and it seems like there is no excuse for not knowing this, it’s common courtesy even if you didn’t know, as a decent human being you should leave things how you found them. It is surprising how many claim to know this but fail to do it

Do as you say you are going to do and nothing more. If you have an agreement that you can shoot a pond on a farmers property and then said farmer finds you shooting the river edge 3km from the pond you have permission to shoot on, then again said farmer has every right to be upset, especially if you’re old enough to know better and you try defend your actions with “oh I THOUGHT it would be all good since you said we could shoot your pond”

If you are an older “respected member” of a small community and you have permission to hunt on someone’s farm and you shoot a buck when you have been told not to shoot bucks, don’t then go and talk shit to all and sundry about the farmer who has very rightly told you to not come back onto the property, especially if you’re going to pretend you’re sorry for your actions etc to the farmers face

Don’t invite your mates when you haven’t got permission for your mates to be there. In fact, don’t push your luck to begin with, if you’ve been given permission to hunt a property then don’t put the farmer in a position where they either have to say no, or say yes just because they are a nice person and find it difficult to say no. Develop trust and a good relationship first.

Also, just ask, don’t be afraid to get told no. We have issues with poachers yet I have zero problem allowing access if people have asked, follow protocols etc and especially if those people are willing to show their gratitude. I have one guy who hunts here a bit and he just came door knocking one day, he makes a point of going and getting a couple Crays or some oysters or a few blue cod to drop off each time he comes out, he follows protocol and doesn’t take the piss out of the priviledge. I have another guy who’s not even much of an outdoorsman but he’s been working on developing a relationship with his kids who have shown a keen interest in the outdoors and he always offers to do little bits and bobs, he came and cleaned all the chimneys of the farm houses for us the other day before going for a wander as an example

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I’ll add some “protocol” for hunting private blocks.

Listen CAREFULLY when you speak to the farmer before you go in, if he says “let me know when you’re off the property and how you got on” and then you fail to do that, then said farmer will probably be a bit upset if he has been out scouting around at 9pm to make sure you haven’t come a cropper. He will be especially upset when you ignore his voicemail and text messages afterwards and then just show up a few weeks later expecting everything to be all good.

Leave things how you f**king found them! This gets thrown around so much and it seems like there is no excuse for not knowing this, it’s common courtesy even if you didn’t know, as a decent human being you should leave things how you found them. It is surprising how many claim to know this but fail to do it

Do as you say you are going to do and nothing more. If you have an agreement that you can shoot a pond on a farmers property and then said farmer finds you shooting the river edge 3km from the pond you have permission to shoot on, then again said farmer has every right to be upset, especially if you’re old enough to know better and you try defend your actions with “oh I THOUGHT it would be all good since you said we could shoot your pond”

If you are an older “respected member” of a small community and you have permission to hunt on someone’s farm and you shoot a buck when you have been told not to shoot bucks, don’t then go and talk shit to all and sundry about the farmer who has very rightly told you to not come back onto the property, especially if you’re going to pretend you’re sorry for your actions etc to the farmers face

Don’t invite your mates when you haven’t got permission for your mates to be there. In fact, don’t push your luck to begin with, if you’ve been given permission to hunt a property then don’t put the farmer in a position where they either have to say no, or say yes just because they are a nice person and find it difficult to say no. Develop trust and a good relationship first.

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Well said mate
Especially the give us a text when you leave part!

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I will add this.....If invited in for a cup of tea or a chat, put that first before hunting. For some farmers, the social contact if they live in a remote area is priceless. Pay attention to their problems if they discuss them and offer to help if you can. Its all part of building a relationship with the owners. Offer some of the meat/birds if successful and if they accept, take the time to process them so they dont have to. If you get sausages,salamis made, call them and offer them some back as a thank you. Treat their family and esp the kids with respect.......

You would think that this is all common sense really. I am also nervous about asking to go onto farms to shoot. I can understand why farmers say no.

Most of the time though it because some other wally has mucked it up for you previously.

Another thing. If you get a spot to shoot. Look after it, the farm and the farmer. My father had a magnificent farm with four ponds on it and about 20 kms of river. It was sold. I don't think we will ever get access to another farm like that. I think the best shooting we ever had on one of the ponds was 69 ducks in an hour opening day

Offer some of your time/experiance to the Farmer.

Even if you work in a Supermarket, you can always offer to split some firewood or clean out some vehicles.

There are a multitude of little jobs on a farm that are hard to get around to.

Helping throw silage stack tyres is a good to get into the good books….


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Very well said Micky Duck

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That's was all very well back when you were trying to nail their daughter, but would you really throw tyres just for a deer?

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I'd happily let you shoot a ute load of deer for a few hours on the heap chucking tyres.
Some guy on the forum a few years ago rebuilt our woolshed steps in exchange for some hunting
I'm all about some barter.


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I'd happily let you shoot a ute load of deer for a few hours on the heap chucking tyres.
Some guy on the forum a few years ago rebuilt our woolshed steps in exchange for some hunting
I'm all about some barter.


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….well I’ve got plenty of experience. Assist in covering 4-5 pits a year…


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I will add this.....If invited in for a cup of tea or a chat, put that first before hunting. For some farmers, the social contact if they live in a remote area is priceless. Pay attention to their problems if they discuss them and offer to help if you can. Its all part of building a relationship with the owners. Offer some of the meat/birds if successful and if they accept, take the time to process them so they dont have to. If you get sausages,salamis made, call them and offer them some back as a thank you. Treat their family and esp the kids with respect.......

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I'll add to this: before coming out ring ahead and see if they need anything from the supermarket or anything picked up from town. When you live remotely, this sort of thing matters (as does the gesture).

I'm going to add.
If you have permission to take your dog, tie the bloody thing up, leave it in its crate or leave it in the vehicle with windows closed when you visit the cockee irrespective of it being a well behaved "wonder dog".

and before you ask......................not my dog or "spot" but I was witness :(

and to this day the dogs owner wonders why the dog is not allowed back!!

Something else that goes a long way to create a good relationship with the owner is. When your out there hunting if you come across something that seems out of place or you thing isn't right for where you are. It might be a water trough running over or a tree over a fence. mention it to the owner it may be nothing but if it is it can be a big help to the owner

Back to public land …

Im only too happy for someone I’ve taken to a spot to go back another day, take his bro up thhere, shoot a deer if he can. Most often its the new visitor who misses out and they guy who know the block gets one the first time.

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I'd happily let you shoot a ute load of deer for a few hours on the heap chucking tyres.
Some guy on the forum a few years ago rebuilt our woolshed steps in exchange for some hunting
I'm all about some barter.


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What do you need a hand with Brads.
Got a couple of old mates that I'm sure would give you a hand for a weekend hunt.
I love cutting trees up [emoji16]


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A mate of mine showed me a little spot on public land that holds a little heard of fallows and a few goats.
It took us a year before seeing our first fallow and another two before we shot one.
Wanting to see the heard grow we never shot more than two or three animals a year.
After five of six years we were rewarded by seeing more and more animals which was really encouraging.
But in the last two years , we have noticed that some other hunters have been on that place and now the numbers of fallow is really down, I did not shoot even one fallow over the last two times I went there and saw only two.
So hence why I would not reveal such a spot and certainly not on a forum. One in respect of my mate's spot and second because the place would be ruined very quickly.

On another hand if a newbie wanted to hunt the kaimais I would encourage him to explore Thomson track, wairere falls or Te Rui track.
It's a tough school to develop and hone your hunting skills but once you got a deer there, you know you would have really deserved it.

I have been on the receiving end of having people try to get their own access to private areas I have shown them, a number of times. It has made me a much less sharing person, now.
After having been told no GPS one guy insulted me by saying my speedo was out!
Oh how do you know that I asked
sheepishly he said I had my gps on..... but I didnt pin any spots.

Personally I treat the situation ( being shown an area) as if it belonged to the person showing me, and if I need to go back there, I ask them first before any other steps are taken.

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Back to public land …

Im only too happy for someone I’ve taken to a spot to go back another day, take his bro up thhere, shoot a deer if he can. Most often its the new visitor who misses out and they guy who know the block gets one the first time.

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this is a big one for me. private land, certainly it would be rude but public? nah, I've no issues with guys going back later and having a go on their own. 90% of your success on a hunt is down to skill and luck, we've all been into those places where there is a ton of sign, fresh hoofprints and seen nothing. if a newbie wants to go out and practice somewhere they know there are animals, to get their eye in, more power to them.

i also assume that if it's within a 3hr walk from anywhere you can get a car to then it's no secret.

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this is a big one for me. private land, certainly it would be rude but public? nah, I've no issues with guys going back later and having a go on their own. 90% of your success on a hunt is down to skill and luck, we've all been into those places where there is a ton of sign, fresh hoofprints and seen nothing. if a newbie wants to go out and practice somewhere they know there are animals, to get their eye in, more power to them.

i also assume that if it's within a 3hr walk from anywhere you can get a car to then it's no secret.

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""if it's within a 3hr walk from anywhere you can get a car to then it's no secret.""

Mmm.... you couldnt be further from the trulth! There are quite a few areas in my neck of the woods that are less than 1.5 hours walk from the car and they the best kept secrets around.
Ive got spots next to no one goes to, or one person a year etc and they prob looking for a dog lol and they prime spots for deer.

Some of those spots i havnt seen a boot mark for years in there and i can likely see a deer within 20min walk........
These are the spots that have been hard earned, going to numerous spots that have failed or arent well kept secrets lol but they are out there.

And theres more than people think and in places others just wouldnt dream about going so they the spots you dont always want to share , otherwise they end up f .cked

No one goes there because they all drive past, looks to gnargy to even think about going there for a look but are gems for a bush stalker

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I’ll add some “protocol” for hunting private blocks.
be a bit upset if he has been out scouting around at 9pm to make sure you haven’t come a cropper. He will be especially upset when you ignore his voicemail and text messages afterwards and then just show up a few weeks later expecting everything to be all good.

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To my mind is about courtesy to a man who own the lands, awareness of their operation and accountability of being guest. For the "protocol" part, may is just people issue, who shared what with whom on where, since share the happiness of fishing & hunting with people is a pleasure.
As for the exchange of favor, I am happy to do so but I though if put real cash into this sort relation will not be propriety. I like small games, I can `t some farm works, cooking if farmers like to eat something different from their daily, or something else. But, I am still in phase 1.0 :D looking for doors to knock.