Thread: A question for the doubters

@Hunter_Nick. It is obvious that you consider the 223rem to be more that adequate on deer (as do I, although not always my first choice).
Hypothetically speaking, is there a point (an animal) at which you would draw the line when it comes to the 223s killing capability and say yeah, nah?
It sounds like a mature red stag poses no issue. What about a mature Wapiti bull? A mature bull moose? An Eland? Cape buffalo? I assume there is must be some end point to the 223s magic?

Originally Posted by Shearer

@Hunter_Nick. It is obvious that you consider the 223rem to be more that adequate on deer (as do I, although not always my first choice).
Hypothetically speaking, is there a point (an animal) at which you would draw the line when it comes to the 223s killing capability and say yeah, nah?
It sounds like a mature red stag poses no issue. What about a mature Wapiti bull? A mature bull moose? An Eland? Cape buffalo? I assume there is must be some end point to the 223s magic?

Nick once took down a bull elephant with a 22lr mate, nuff said

Originally Posted by Gibo

Nick once took down a bull elephant with a 22lr mate, nuff said

Well actually there was a poacher caught killing elephants.when questioned how he did it they didn't believe him till shown. He laid down beside trail and fired 22 short up into armpit/heart .then waited till animal fell over bled out. It's all about placement lol

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Well actually there was a poacher caught killing elephants.when questioned how he did it they didn't believe him till shown. He laid down beside trail and fired 22 short up into armpit/heart .then waited till animal fell over bled out. It's all about placement lol

Stop it

Originally Posted by Gibo

Nick once took down a bull elephant with a 22lr mate, nuff said

I think you will find that was Bunji who did that, but he did have his pet 25foot Croc holding its back leg for him to get the shot.

Originally Posted by Gibo

Nick once took down a bull elephant with a 22lr mate, nuff said

I’d be surprised if it was charging him though!

PS .22short is holding the record for smallest bullet to kill an elephant.

Originally Posted by Shearer

@Hunter_Nick. It is obvious that you consider the 223rem to be more that adequate on deer (as do I, although not always my first choice).
Hypothetically speaking, is there a point (an animal) at which you would draw the line when it comes to the 223s killing capability and say yeah, nah?
It sounds like a mature red stag poses no issue. What about a mature Wapiti bull? A mature bull moose? An Eland? Cape buffalo? I assume there is must be some end point to the 223s magic?

Anything that walks this country, except for wild cattle. I wouldn’t hunt them with anything that I could shoulder and shoot accurately.
There’s times when you have to walk away, and that’s if they don’t present a decent angle, or of it’s too windy for the distance.

Na, haven’t shot an elephant with my .22 @Gibo but I did shoot a spiker with it out spotlighting possums. Never again.

My first years of hunting were goat culling on a family farm - predominantly with a .22lr. That’s how I was taught, knew no different. There were limits though, head and neck shots only and the ammo of choice was Winchester Lazer.

Originally Posted by Hunter_Nick

Anything that walks this country, except for wild cattle. I wouldn’t hunt them with anything that I could shoulder and shoot accurately.
There’s times when you have to walk away, and that’s if they don’t present a decent angle, or of it’s too windy for the distance.

Na, haven’t shot an elephant with my .22 @Gibo but I did shoot a spiker with it out spotlighting possums. Never again.

My first years of hunting were goat culling on a family farm - predominantly with a .22lr. That’s how I was taught, knew no different. There were limits though, head and neck shots only and the ammo of choice was Winchester Lazer.

I'm considering taking mine for wild cattle in October.

Originally Posted by gimp

I'm considering taking mine for wild cattle in October.

the biggest fuckups I have seen trying to kill animals with a rifle have been cattle and a .22 not pretty at all some of them- and no not me shooting - but there is a common denominator thinking back -1) the 22 probably never zeroed in years 2) the shooters' ability seriously in question - 3) bad shot placement normally to high on forehead - most would have gone down if it had been a 308

Originally Posted by gimp

I'm considering taking mine for wild cattle in October.

Well good fi you young Gimp..the .222 was more than adequate on big scrubby bulls,had to be very carefull though.
Some of the little pill's did have a habit of ..say bouncing off lol.
Whether or not your just talking shit about giving the mad cows a go or not..a 223 will sure as hell do the bizz.
Just do it right lol.

Originally Posted by Hunter_Nick

Anything that walks this country, except for wild cattle. I wouldn’t hunt them with anything that I could shoulder and shoot accurately.
There’s times when you have to walk away, and that’s if they don’t present a decent angle, or of it’s too windy for the distance.

Na, haven’t shot an elephant with my .22 @Gibo but I did shoot a spiker with it out spotlighting possums. Never again.

My first years of hunting were goat culling on a family farm - predominantly with a .22lr. That’s how I was taught, knew no different. There were limits though, head and neck shots only and the ammo of choice was Winchester Lazer.

Would those times be less frequent if you were using a more powerful "traditional" deer cartridge?
Not sure I get what you mean about the wild cattle?

Originally Posted by Shearer

Would those times be less frequent if you were using a more powerful "traditional" deer cartridge?
Not sure I get what you mean about the wild cattle?

Could only be less frequent if the more ‘traditional’ cartridge had less wind drift. That’s basically why I built a 22 creedmoor, because I’m not awesome enough to shoot big guns well. That’s the windy day gun. As for the animal giving a decent shot angle, that doesn’t change regardless of cartridge.

As for the wild cattle, I’m too chicken shit to hunt them with anything!

Originally Posted by Hunter_Nick

Could only be less frequent if the more ‘traditional’ cartridge had less wind drift. That’s basically why I built a 22 creedmoor, because I’m not awesome enough to shoot big guns well. That’s the windy day gun. As for the animal giving a decent shot angle, that doesn’t change regardless of cartridge.

As for the wild cattle, I’m too chicken shit to hunt them with anything!

There's little advantage to anything else in hit probability until you're past maybe 400 metres.

Years back my older brother,father and farm owner were out back of farm,huge hereford bullock who was completely feral was seen at close range on farm track.farm owner said"that would make good beef" blap blah.went brothers mini 14 two rounds into head and the hard work began.luckily they could get tractor to him. I didn't see beast but along with meat a cannon bone n foot came home.it was huge. Shot placement within range.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

Years back my older brother,father and farm owner were out back of farm,huge hereford bullock who was completely feral was seen at close range on farm track.farm owner said"that would make good beef" blap blah.went brothers mini 14 two rounds into head and the hard work began.luckily they could get tractor to him. I didn't see beast but along with meat a cannon bone n foot came home.it was huge. Shot placement within range.

I got a 230 lb boar one night with my BRNO 22 shot him out of the car window on a remote road in Gisborne but that 22 at the 15 metre range it was would group into a one cent coin - one shot just above his ear hole and dead pig