Thread: A question for the doubters

Originally Posted by gimp

It's getting pretty speculative at this point. I'm not aware of any good evidence to support CNS "shock" without damage from a generic "shoulder shot".

I mean what do you reckon caused this deer to flop on the spot? CNS shock, or damage?

https://youtu.be/nSr8yArHaFk?si=tl-KppgXG9QErAav

Why doesn't this one flop? shot with a 6.5 and 140gr sp. Heaps more energy and a smaller deer
https://youtu.be/c4gZnNGHG1o?si=EHUrfZUi3PAfT0r3

Or this one, 308 and 150gr
https://youtu.be/TgMjqguHnW4?si=eezMJApeEadAnpGY

The first shot isn't comparable to the second two. Assuming the first shot hit point of aim as I didn't see impact, whereas the second two are very obvious impact location.
First one, shot angle means the major blood vessels in front of the heart were damaged, immediate lost of blood pressure to brain = immediate loss of consciousness.
The other two were lung shots, blood pressure is maintained until the deer dies from hypovolemic shock (blood volume loss causing blood pressure loss and thereafter loss of consciousness).
Calibre or cartridge isn't a meaningful variable here that I can see, different mechanism of injury/death.

I always do a bit of a poke around after killing something, can normally pin point exactly what was the cause of death and shot placement with adequately designed bullet over calibre or cartridge any day in my opinion. I'm not terribly convinced large calibres give wider margins of error or any of that guff either.