Thread: A question for the doubters

Originally Posted by Mararoa

162grain eldm @ 2550 7mm08 has 1220 Ftlb at 600 yards too. Very mild and light on recoil. There are lots of ways to skin this cat.

You pulled your lips off your latte to say 'that'?

Originally Posted by Gibo

You pulled your lips off your latte to say 'that'?

This from the first post: So, to the doubters- What would it take for you to be convinced that a .223 with heavy for caliber (73-88gr) bullets is a LEGITIMATE deer hunting cartridge?

I think the case is well proven but some people will never accept it.

Originally Posted by Tahr

This from the first post: So, to the doubters- What would it take for you to be convinced that a .223 with heavy for caliber (73-88gr) bullets is a LEGITIMATE deer hunting cartridge?

I think the case is well proven but some people will never accept it.

I'm sold, my daughter got her first with a 55 grain so it was certainly legitimate

Originally Posted by Tahr

This from the first post: So, to the doubters- What would it take for you to be convinced that a .223 with heavy for caliber (73-88gr) bullets is a LEGITIMATE deer hunting cartridge?

I think the case is well proven but some people will never accept it.

Of course I see if differently. What ive seen from the thread is that most of us do recognise the 223 as legitimate, and If I havnt made that clear enough before, I do now.

But its not for me! and regardless of it being capable of doing the job. I want something more and feel comfortable with my choice of more energy and momentum at the ranges I, and most people, I think, shoot at.

I sense more frustration from the small cal users, at us stating we wouldn't use a 223 in some circumstances, than I do from those of us with similar opinions of those using small cals.

Originally Posted by whanahuia

I sense more frustration from the small cal users, at us stating we wouldn't use a 223 in some circumstances, than I do from those of us with similar opinions of those using small cals.

For me - there is a lot of terribly bad advice given and nonsense repeated on forums - e.g. "nothing less than a WSM or -06 case will do for killing red deer"

The sufficiency of .223 is a useful proxy to expose the ridiculousness of such positions. I would like to feel that I'm contributing to the community taking an evidence-based approach to beliefs.

I mean why does anyone jump into any discussion on the internet, really? including the "I've never used .223 with heavy bullets but I don't think it will work" crowd. Why share the opinion

Originally Posted by gimp

I mean why does anyone jump into any discussion on the internet, really? including the "I've never used .223 with heavy bullets but I don't think it will work" crowd. Why share the opinion

It's genuine speculation, aside from the snark. Really interesting to examine why we get into these things. Aside from the fact that this thread literally asks for it.

Originally Posted by gimp

It's genuine speculation, aside from the snark. Really interesting to examine why we get into these things. Aside from the fact that this thread literally asks for it.

Dont get me wrong. I have/am enjoyed this thread. But I agree, I was very close to bringing up that fact that we were specifically asked to comment. Because that aspect of your comment did annoy me. For example I havnt gone on the 223 killing deer thread with any opinion other than likes and contributing a few kills myself.

Originally Posted by gimp

For me - there is a lot of terribly bad advice given and nonsense repeated on forums - e.g. "nothing less than a WSM or -06 case will do for killing red deer"

The sufficiency of .223 is a useful proxy to expose the ridiculousness of such positions. I would like to feel that I'm contributing to the community taking an evidence-based approach to beliefs.

As soon as any person you're trying to have a serious conversation with (especially politicians) say words to the effect "I believe/its my understanding/my belief etc etc" you're fucked, they are not listening and their rationality and logic is absent.

Originally Posted by Tentman

As soon as any person you're trying to have a serious conversation with (especially politicians) say words to the effect "I believe/its my understanding/my belief etc etc" you're fucked, they are not listening and their rationality and logic is absent.

Can you think of a less derogatory reason for such language use?

I can.

Ill tell you later, but first I wish to see if you can.

Originally Posted by gimp

For me - there is a lot of terribly bad advice given and nonsense repeated on forums - e.g. "nothing less than a WSM or -06 case will do for killing red deer"

The sufficiency of .223 is a useful proxy to expose the ridiculousness of such positions. I would like to feel that I'm contributing to the community taking an evidence-based approach to beliefs.

Thats an excuse. I don't recall seeing any of that in this discussion. And too an extent I think you are hiding behind the evidence based line. How big is your evidence pool? so far you have used other peoples photos and vids and told me you didnt do an autopsy.

If you wish to preclude me or anyone else because we havnt used the exact projectiles you have. But have a wealth of experience with enough projectiles of varying weights, cals, structure etc, then so be it.

This and your next post are the reasons I get the feeling that there is more frustration and less give from the small cal users than the bigger. It comes across as pouty. Its ben an interesting discussion, but this type of turn wrecks things.

Originally Posted by Gibo

You pulled your lips off your latte to say 'that'?

It wasn’t a latte, Neanderthal, it was a mochaccino