YOU as a member voted this person in as YOUR president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Just saying.
Apathy and these problems are hand in glove.
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YOU as a member voted this person in as YOUR president.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Just saying.
Apathy and these problems are hand in glove.
I actually voted for Mark, but there you go. I didn't leave because of one person, but the general response within the club when el presidente flapped his gob
Totally playing Devil's advocate here, but why then did you not choose to do something about it, rather than walk away?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
OK . Macca tagged me. I will comment briefly.
NZDA NATEX has through many years developed certain codes of conduct, policies and stances which have devolved through national AGMs. Some branches have chosen to ignore some of these or put them in the "too hard basket"; not wanting to fight government bureaucracies or worse. (Admittedly, some of the edicts were a bit over the top, and for myself, when I was heavily engaged in meat hunting for money, I withdrew from membership during that period.
This leads to disjointed and non alignment of central objectives of the association as a whole and a less than fully focussed movement to enhance the recreation of big game hunting. People don't want to get into shit fights with their hunting mates, so many simply walk away or transfer to another branch which they believe is better at supporting the overall national association interests. Small closed administrative admin groups within clubs are part of the problem, but in essence I think the whole association needs to harden up in many respects if it is to succeed in maintaining it's core objectives, which should still primarily centre on enhanced and recognised and protected wild deer management and deer hunting availability nationwide. There remains major conflict with government in this regard.
@Woody very good comments. However your last bit should refer to wild game animals nationwide, we South Islanders have the chamios & tahr that need to be in that loop. I'm sure that's what you really meant anyway.
yes
Same reason nothing happened with the takahe shooting incident, there's an inner circle, a club within the club. Very much an old boys network.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
There's an alternative shooting club opening up nearby, with much better facilities. The NZDA Akl branch gets roughly 50% of its income from range fees, and the other half from subs. As soon as this other shooting club opens, NZDA range attendance will pancake, and I believe memberships will drop too, as people realize that, for roughly the same coin, getting access to a range 2 Sundays a month vs. 7 days a week, is a no-brainer. The range facilities were a major drawcard for this branch, as it's a city branch, and very few people have access to casual shooting facilities within 2+ hours of Akl CBD. With income substantially reduced, I believe the club will wither and die quite quickly. There is also uncertainty re the local Iwi taking ownership of Riverhead forest, where the NZDA range is located.
the auckland presidency is well and truly up for grabs Tommy - if you took it up you can start to turn the ship in another direction
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Originally Posted by Tommy
Well and truely if the current holder carries on.
From: Dave Nicol <dnicol@deerstalkers.co.nz>
Date: 23 March 2017 at 11:22:07 AM NZDT
To: Xxx xxx <xxx@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: NZDA AKL: November BT
You need to view and read the following months BT for and explanation of my initial report.
Time to move on as everyone else has.
Regards
David Nicol
On 22/03/2017 9:02 PM, "Xxx xxx" <xxx@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
Dear President,
It is now 22 March 2017 and I am yet to have a reply to my message sent in November last year.
I hope you had a chance to read it, as I know we are all busy people.
Kind regards,
Xxx
Auckland Shooting Club $460.00 p/a plus $115.oo joining fee, $575.oo for the first year. NZDA $120.oo plus $50.oo joining fee plus $10.oo range fee when you feel the need to zero your rifle before a hunting trip.
I'd love to see the fine print on the NZDA hunter's insurance. I have the AIG policy page, but not the details.
Can someone find and upload the December edition of the Bush Telegraph?Quote:
Originally Posted by dogmatix
Attachment 65920Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
lol, did you seriously email Dave 4-1/2 months later, so you could have something to post on the forum for internet creds?
21/03 @ 09.47pm - Thread Created
22/03 @ 09.02pm - Dave emailed by dogmatix
23/03 @ 11.47am - Dave's reply
23/03 @ 02.22pm - Cut and paste for internet creds #yolo
Looking forward to having you on the committee this year, see you at the agm. You to Tommy ;-)
Yours truly,
Daniel Friedman
Auckland Branch Treasurer
No Dan,
The thread simply reminded me that I hadn't even received an acknowledgement from David or yourself that you had received my email 4.5 months ago.
The tone of David's reply says it all, hence I posted it.
And no, I don't need any 'cred', I do far more for hunters and shooters I've met through the branch and elsewhere than I take back thank you very much.
I've been on the committee of a NZDA branch before and the infighting and generaly bitchiness from grown men (people were threatening to punch each other) was enough.
Jees Im geting sick of this, Dave might have seed something not P/C in your eyes but he is an electritian, and a bloody good one, not a polictrian, but he is MY president and I might be 70yrs old with a dodgy hip but I am preparded to take my glasses off take on anybody, fistycuffs at ten paces anyone
The cost? It's a dollar difference per day. If you veiw it terms of opportunities to go shooting, 2 days a month vs open most of the time, the value is obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by doubleRB
I hunt, but I also participate in various other shooting sports. If I wanted to be a part of OMNI too (and a B is on my to do list, long overdue) the fees of $$320 per year added to the NZDA fees, we're now talking pretty much the same coin. So yes, the new club is well worth it to me. I'm pretty sure their newsletter isn't going to have bits ratfucking what other people do with their guns either.
@LOC, I plan to be involved and donate time to the sport, only not for the NZDA. Took me a while to decide what I was going to do, but two conversations in the past week with former committee members of the branch (who are also more than a little fucked off with auckland), certainly helped me reach my decision.
DoubleRB you raise a good point.
Enough bitching on this forum, myself included.
That was the reason I left the other branch.
I'll say no more on the matter.
This is like blaming all Americans for the petulant child that is currently their president. A popularity contest in an old boys club will result in an old boy getting the reins - like it or not...Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
But I do blame an aweful lot of Americans for Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickoli
Hillary won by a vast majority. NZDA elections don't have Electoral Colleges to worry about.
Agreed, and it easier to complain than to push for change. Given some of the attitudes in the old boys club, change will not happen: attitudes that differ from the status quo drift away from the piss drinking & shit talking/reminiscing of some clubs (not all!!)Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
maybe not, our treasurer has a cunning plan to modenise our club, with a bit of luck we will approve it at the next AGMQuote:
Originally Posted by Nickoli
"Did Not Vote" won by a vast majority.
44.7% did not vote.
25.5% voted for Trump.
26.7% voted for Clinton.
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Apathty wins by a landslide yet again. ☹️Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Obama won by the electoral college system too, first time I heard of it was when the man with an orange hairdo beat the other candidate (by the rules as they've been for a wee while).Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
Aaah. Every President wins by Electoral College. Thats how it works over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Anyway, miles off tangent now.
I'm only here to see Tommy vs. A 70 year old :D
Or to see a 70 year old versus a keyboardQuote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
What the "Snowflakes " have to realize is that no Organization is going to be a 100% fit . So you're going to have to look the other way when " something " happens .
And the only Organization that will be 100% agreeable to you ,has a membership of one . So either you swallow the occasional "Dead rat " or go about changing things ( bitching about things ,just does not do anything )
And the final thing to consider is , what is / are the alternative(s) in Organizations .
Everybody's entitled to their opinion. Saddening from NZDA's perspective to see some of the sentiments held, and expressed. Not surprising though. Here's my two cents worth.
I trust we may agree it's an undeniable fact - NZDA as an organisation has done immeasurable good for the sport of recreational hunting in New Zealand - for 80-odd years. It's unlikely to be overtaken - as the only recreational hunting organisation with 50-odd Branches, and covering virtually the whole country.
It's vitally important - even more so now than ever - that recreational hunting has an effective, national voice. There are some significant threats, both direct and indirect.
NZDA is certainly not perfect - and a lot of the sentiment here has various degress of validity. Organisations like NZDA inevitably wax and wane over the years, as the dynamic environment in which they operate also changes. Leadership, too, goes through periods of being strong - and not so strong. As does the Membership.
Right now, there's quite a bit of positive, constructive effort going on "behind the scenes" - to try and encourage NZDA to drag itself kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. Our young Members should not inherit an outfit that's stuck in the past, or lost it's way - in today's fast-changing and technological world.
We must be realistic about what we expect of it, though. It's run entirely by volunteers. Some people put an unreasonable amount of time and effort into it. As with any such outfit - some of these efforts are inevitably misguided. But that doesn't make them not well-intentioned. Branches are a reflection of their combined membership. If we don't like the way our Branch operates - we always have the option of stepping up, and doing something about it. I have a rule I strive to stick to - I don't indulge in criticism - unless I'm prepared to do something constructive, too.
Personally, I don't look at my Subscription as just something I should necessarily get value-for-money for. It's also a contribution towards the maintenance and upkeep of the recreational activity we inherited, and we love - and we all want to continue to be available, for our children and grandchildren to enjoy. I put several times my Sub into my freezer each year, all free-range organic meat. I don't care if I get nothing back - this alone (making a contribution) is worth it, for me. It's bugger all really, maybe just one tank of diesel. Maybe it's worth it for you, too?
For this reason - if you think of yourself as a Recreational Hunter - I urge you to remain an NZDA Member, or join. A key part of being able to represent and advocate for recreational hunting - is to have a strong Membership of recreational hunters. It's all about having the numbers.
As for Hunting & Wildlife - I believe it's been an institution within NZDA and beyond, since 1962 - the "glue" that has kept NZDA together - surviving through good times, and bad. Personally, I want to keep getting mine in hardcopy form - but it makes sense that Member's have the option to save the organisation some money, and opt-out - either to receive in electronic format only, or not at all. There are some good ideas floating about.
Happy Hunting.
Very well put message there, a lot of those reasons is why I am a member
If the magazine and the retirement home type committee members are the problem, maybe the persons concerned,young or old need to take charge and use their free time to be the driving force of the operation. Maybe this thread has out used it use by date as the original thread was the magazine. In my opinion ditch the hard cover and move to the modern age. K
Best first post I've seen in a long time (if not ever).Quote:
Originally Posted by stewart.h
(1) Why put it back on them all the time? .. your arms and legs painted on? (2) Don't we think there's a good reason why all of the successful magazines stay in hardcopy? Why do we think that is? As NZ Jetboating Committee Members have said "our magazine is part of our heritage .. we wouldn't touch it (in terms of canning it, or going digital) without a referendum of all members". Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Let the Membership collectively decide. SMH.Quote:
Originally Posted by stickle7
Good words Stewart. Keep up the great work you are doing behind the scenes too, if not appreciated now we will all appreciate it when it comes to light.
Thanks mate! :-) ...Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
As always Stewart, well said - thank you.
Why do so many people over the years complain about the nzda......there must be reasons for it.
People complain about everything quite simply.
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