yes, I was more talking about NOS which is very rare. Occasionally decent second hand pops upQuote:
Originally Posted by Jhon
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yes, I was more talking about NOS which is very rare. Occasionally decent second hand pops upQuote:
Originally Posted by Jhon
Your a bit early
Out of stock last time I checkedQuote:
Originally Posted by Jhon
It's a botQuote:
Originally Posted by gun guy
@Arthur McBride Warms the cockles of my heart! :)
Greetings @Micky Duck,Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I read your post on the .22 Savage with a .223 inch groove barrel and thought "Micky has just reinvented the .219 Zipper". This is the .22 Savage shortened ever so slightly and necked down even more slightly.
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This is the front page of one of the late Ken Waters Pet Loads articles from "Handloader Ammunition Reloading Journal" from 1974. Ken wrote these from 1966 until sometime after 2000 and died recently in his late 90's. An improved version called the .225 Winchester was brought out in the 1960's. Either would work in the Baikal but the loads for the .225 would need to be toned down a bit. Single shot rifles are still made in Europe for the 5.6 x 51R (.22 Savage) but they cost rather more than a SH Baikal. Norma sells ammunition and cases but a reamer is likely to be a problem. Let us know if the project advances. The other option would be a .222 Rimmed on a .222 Baikal which would only need a rim recess cut. Bertram in OZ makes the cases. I saw some in a sports shop in Tamworth a few years back.
Regards Grandpamac.
Boss&Co 303 at Holts auction few years ago.
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Something a bit different, an early enfield chambered in 405 winchester
https://www.shooterssupplies.co.nz/p...eespeed-10868/
303 double rifle would be the ducks nuts
Bakail make double rifles....seen them advertised here in .45/70 or 30/06 now either would just about have to be ultimate bush rifle.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky
double .303 will be great to...more accurate barrel have a good load in it and other something big soft and heavy...say a 200grn cast....lookout stag behind horipito bush...clearly identifiable but partially obscured....
I once used the Hornady 174gr RH in my old SMLE. Nothing walked away......... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
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Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I was offered a 30 06 double rifle and would have bought it but it would not keep barrels shooting remotely together,but I bought the two u/o versions they make as regulation can be adjusted. Unless you are buying quality makes a single shot is a better choice.Baikial make a 762x39 over 12 gauge or 762x39 over 20 gauge which could be a candidate for rechambering to 303.
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I just thought it was time to bump the 303 thread buck up to the top
In the process of sorting out a Stevens 44 1/2 in the wildcat caliber 38-303 I was looking for decent 303 brass
Turned up what I needed and @Rambo-6mm formed the brass up for me
I also have more brass to collect
But an offer for 303 dies, new old stock Norma brass and projectiles was also taken
So now once again I have all the gear to reload and a new barrel blank for a caliber of rifle I don't own !
@Scout will be loving this joke
The 303 items now join 30-30 ( complete set and new profiled barrel ) and 25-35 which I even have a new unused chamber reamer for
So if anyone has a single shot action that deserves to be made whole and become a working rifle again in 303, 30-30 or 25-35 get in touch
I have a nice Martini action, its old/new barrel is waiting down South to go to a better place ,,,,,,, I think !
I just got the sight on the other yesterday, I'm now pissed off I missed a huge can of ADI 2201 from ancient times as I have been using up a small can I have & it is great for the Old girls !
@@Scout That MG barrel is just waiting patiently to be whittled down to go in an ovate sewer pipe !Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout
Many is the time I have looked at it and though you have so much tonnage stranded all over the world you won't miss one 303 barrel !
But I don't currently have a nitro proof action I can spin it on to
Those bloody auctions just keep getting bumpedQuote:
Originally Posted by muzza
And I'm fussy and not especially keen on martinis ( despite owning a few ) for what I want the 303 single shot for
Sure I've posted this else where.
But had to stick my spare scope and rings on the Enfield 1917 III* sporter, as I don't trust my eyes hunting with irons.
Thanks to the member for the free mount rail. ;)
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Greetings @Scout,Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout
If I may offer some words of caution about AR2201. AR2201 was replaced by AR2206 around 40 years ago. The Oz Army found that AR2201 produced variable port pressure in the 5.56 and had a poor shelf life especially at high temperatures. Mulwex developed AR2206 which was the first of what was later labled by Hodgdon Extreme powders. Mulwex never manufactured AR2201 as a canister powder for direct sale to the public only offering it to ammunition manufacturers like CAC which packaged it and sold to the public. For this reason load data is variable. I don't doubt for a minute that you are getting excellent results from some carefully stored AR2201 but you may wish to consider using AR2206H which should give as good or perhaps better results in your old girls. This is what I do in my old soldiers. To me using AR2201 with an unknown storage history creats an unneccesary risk.
Regards Grandpamac.
@grandpamac lol yes I reckoned it was way old powder & that's why I didn't take the opportunity of the 5lb can but wish I had now, as this stuff has been working great & it was in a CAC can as I remember .
When I was after data they said the military found it wanting in 7.62X51 - 308 used in the SLR as I remember but I think fine used in shooting boxes, rocks & cans, in my hunting loads I will use another fresh powder as a side bar the most accurate load in a couple of these Oldies has been using .308 bullets in fresh 303 barrels !
Thank you for the note on the powders use grandpamac, much appreciate the knowledge !
Greetings @Scout,Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout
Thanks for your reply and kind words. I would be most interested in some more detail on your .308 projectiles in the .303 (.314) barrel. I had read of people using partition projectles in this way. One of my .303 rifles has a mint two groove barrel and shoots the .303 174 grain RN very very well. It also shoots the .303 Norma 150 grain BT quite well but 150 grain .308 projectiles not that well. I thought about getting some 170 grain .308 flat points for my .30-40 Krag Martini to also try in the .303 but have not done so yet. The Martini shoots the 150 grain RN projectiles so well in spite of a really long throat. All the loads for these rifles use AR2206H.
Regards Grandpamac.
if you think about it,a two groove barrel,is something like 80?% at .303 of an inch sized hole...so a .308 sized projectile gets 5 thou grip over 80% of its surface....
Try 220 grain .308 bullets in a good .303 bore. The longer bearing surface works better I think.
Yes I use a few of those in the real old Speeders that were regulated for the 215gr slug, but I haven't been shooting any game with them in the 303, lots in the 30/06 back in the day .
Grandpamac I have a mint barreled Westley Richards & she really shoots some 180gr Hornadys I had laying around, flat based slugs !
You know I haven't slugged the bores so who knows what they really are ?
I shot some .318 8mm bullets in my worn out BSA sporter & it went from a foot size key hole pattern to small group right on the sights, I first checked that a fired case would release a .318 size bullet !
Greetings Micky and Scout,Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
That was my thinking. Some data for the two groove barrels that I found gave the bore at .304" and the groove from .316" to .318". The dimensions were developed to suit the Mk VII projectile and gave decent accuracy and long barrel life. Tests with the 175 grain Hornady round nose often give two shots touching at 60 metres but different lots of projectiles can give quite different points of impact. Current production has a blunter shape.
Regards Grandpamac.
I went bush for the day for my 59th birthday. I took 2 goats with the trusty old 1944 Lee Enfield SMLE #1 mk3 .303. Saw another half a dozen goats, but only took what I needed. Filmed it all. Tried to be a wannabe NZ Hunter Adventures. More like Broken Arse Hunter Adventures.... 3 cameras: the phone, Gopro and Panasonic. Shooting B-roll footage, the whole 9 yards. Even used the tripod....
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This one’s up for auction.
https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.co...7783&saletype=
Sigh. They're called Lee-Enfields. Not Enfields. Never. You have to pronounce both of the words. Always goddamit. Dont be that American guy on youtube. Or just stick with three oh three.
I've just uploaded a new vid hunting for a goat with the old 303. I've got my Howa's; but still love using the old girl. It has history and character! I'm going to start handloading for it very soon
"Hunting with a 78 year old .303 British rifle. A hunt on my 59th birthday!"
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My new baby! A BSA 1916 .303 SHTLE III* (FTR) Rifle; now sporting a Nikon 3-9x scope! Going to be so cool hunting with 106-year old rifle!
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I think we need to get together and compare notes, tell lies etc as we're almost neighbours lolQuote:
Originally Posted by bumblefoot
What would happen if you took a SMLE and put a decent new modern barrel on it and used appropriate handloads and a half decent well mounted 'scope? What sort of accuracy would it be capable of? Easy MOA?
I would like to go back to the old 3-oh but wouldn't be able to tolerate that awful old 3moa group business.
Should do eh. I still need to photograph that Lee Loader sheet for you. I keep forgetting; sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Jhon
@Tahr Pretty good I'd say. My 1944 SMLE shoots 3" at 100yds (3 shots) and it only has a 16.5" barrel. I'm not a long range shooter. I do have a Howa 308 and a Howa mini 223; I call my 223 the freezer filler! But my Howas are my Toyota Corolla's; the 303's are me going for a spin in an old jalopy for the sheer hell of it. But really; for the vast majority of NZ hunting (unless you're a LR shooter) a 303 will do the job :)
Ha, thought I'd have to come knock on yer door:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by bumblefoot
Tahr, shoot your .303 unsupported and you won't mind or notice it's a 3 MOA rifle. The awful trigger alone will see to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Greetins All,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I think I have part of the answer to that question. My No4 with a near new two groove barrel often shoots MoA groups with the 174 grain Round Nose Hornady and light loads. It is sensitive to different batches of those projectiles and needs a few shots to settle down after the fore end has been off. My son has requently fallen under the Lee Enfield spell via one with a like new .308 groove barrel and the .303 case. It will be interesting to see how this shoots. There are also some test loads made up to test how much difference there is between my 5 and two groove barrels. The loads have the 174 grain projectiles loaded to 76mm LOA giving a jump of 1.6mm in the two groove and 5.8mm in the 5 groove. Comparing different sets of .303 load data hows some considerable differences in velocity for the same load so this test looks at possible reasons why this is so. Will report results in due course.
Regards Grandpamac.
I was given a long branch no 4 mk 1* it has had a barrel swap at some time and the bolt is also not original but it shoots very well my first 3 shot group at 100 yards blew me away at just over an inch with mill surp ammo using the aperture sightQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
So yeah they can be very accurate with a good barrel
The big issue is that they don't tend to stay accurate. The bedding is so tenuous that the "tuning" drifts over time.
In the old NRA days of .303 shooting, the guys that won invariably had clever gunsmiths that could get them into tune. These days, TR shooters can buy damn near any second hand rifle and have a good chance if their skills are up to it.
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Treat them like a bow, get closer :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
