https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-ti...aland-dotterel
I can hear the green rain from here.
load of horse shit.
I would imagine that the poison they drop to get the deer would be more of an issue than the deer themselves
Will it nuke the Dotterels as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidGunn
To stop dogs raiding chook nests we use mustard injected into them, curry would be a good deterrent for deer raiding nests...and adds nice flavour to offal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
Of course it will but there are 170 of them and DoC will probably be happy killing 100 to prove a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
Please tell me that the DOC man has one hand down the front of his trousers when he states " the deer eat Dotterel chicks"
He would definitely have been making hand motions as if feeding chooks when he said it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
No, it is a strange but true fact that deer will eat chicks to get the nutrients they need for antler growth.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
Gee, after 60 years of hunting it's the first time I've heard that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
I saw it on some documentary a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
For fucks sake don't tell the Koreans, they will bypass the velvet and go for the dotterelsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
I have seen red deer eat ducklings and a hedgehog eat baby turkeys that had been mowed with an orchard mower
I would like to see the video or photos. Crock of shit.
Instead of the green rain DoC could do a flyover and dump a load of day old chicks...yellow rainQuote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
https://youtu.be/sQOQdBLHrLkQuote:
Originally Posted by CATLINS HUNTER
YouTube has plenty of videos of birds being eaten by deer
Convenient Crock of shit...given it was 2013...the law of averages says that it could happen....Quote:
Originally Posted by CATLINS HUNTER
Just like Possums eating Thrush fledglings with his mate, a Rat on a convenient branch ....in a photographic studio......turned into posters & pasted all around this country of ours...
Insinuating that all possums eat native eggs & fledglings all the time.....everyone.....every night....
Just all part of the plan for Pest Free 2050
Well, f@#k me....i would never have believed it.
Is it only the stags that do it?
My apologies, in my 40 odd years of hunting i have never heard of,or seen anything like that. It still cant be a common occurance surely ??Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Keas kill lambs. Wekas kill all sorts of stuff. Ruru kill skinks. Kingfishers kill native fish. Falcons kill native birds as do skua and gulls. Eels eat everything. Just a few examples.
FFS.
DoC want to root Rakiura with Brodifacoum if they get have a chance.
The hedgehog doesn't surprise me - I've seen a few of them tucking into roadkill rabbits and hares, and its quite impressive the way they bite straight through the shells of snails. Apparently they have a taste for lizards too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Deer eating young birds is news to me though, interesting.
If only 170 left it sounds serious. Would be interesting to know if the remaining population is localised around a small area. I would be more concerned about things with pointy teeth myself but would be interesting to know how much of an issue this is. There is often a ton of emotion and emotive language on both sides in these sorts of situations. Good rational, logical, practical, non emotive, measured decision makers are what are needed in situations such as this.
so if they know which areas these 170 wee birdies nest in...and only being 170 they would have to now wouldnt they??? why dont they fence them off??? sounds far too simple to me. heck fence them off with preditor fence..... too hard..... so use chook netting on the deer netting.nothing bigger than a mouse will get in then. seeing the number of cats on that island the few any deer eat ould be a way smaller number than old scrawny moggy scoffs.
are you sure Greta didnt film the origonal ???? oh 2013 she would be what??? still in diapers.
I agree. Steel standards and solar powered electric two wire fence around the various nest sites.
Just wait until DoC claims the Moose are responsible for killing Takahe so they can use green rain in fjiordland....I suspect that while deer may occasionally go for chicks for the nutrients, if you stash more nutrients away from the chicks would that draw the deer away? More likely to be rats and mustelids would be my suspicion....
Deerstalkers Association have killed more Takahe than the moose ever will.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
How tasty are dotterell chick's? Anyone tried one. If they are really really good I would have thought the best option to ensure their survival would be to commercialise them, same goes for any other endangered species, yellow eyed penguin kebab or Hectors dolphin and chips anyone
The dotterals are nesting in a fairly remote site, they are mo itored heavily and doc keep ontop of the rat and cat numbers with shooting and poisoni g. Think the issue is that the only way to control deer is by shooting vs cafefully placed bait stations that knock rat and cat numbers down before they get to the nesting areas
https://vimeo.com/62571465?ref=em-share
Whitetail deer have been known to eat bird eggs and there have been documented cases in USA of them eating birds as well. I am aware of one incident on Stewart Island where a fledgling muttonbird was found in a deer paunch some forty year ago.
There are so many things wrong about the Southland Times report claiming deer pose a threat to dotterels. These birds nest on the open herb fields above the bushline on Tin Range. Mr Bull was certainly ‘fortunate’ to be able to observe a whitetail deer eating a fledgling. First to be in the nesting area and then to see a deer eating a bird.
This footage has not ‘just surfaced’ it has been on the internet for six years and was filmed in 2013. DoC have had cameras on nesting sites since that time and no other footage of deer predation has been found. In recent years DOC have been shooting whitetail found in the nesting area. It would be interesting to know how many deer they have shot there. DOC have been forced to take this action as deer numbers in this alpine area are so low, no hunters actually hunt there.
Remember the reason Kakapo were shifted from the southern part of the Island to Codfish Island. It had nothing to do with deer, it was predation by cats. Cats and rats will also be the villain with the dotterels but you can also add predatory birds such as harrier hawks, skua and gulls. Dotterel nests in these alpine areas are easy pickings for aerial predators. Will the trail camera footage of the harrier Hawk killing three fledgling dotterels at the nesting site that was captured in November 2019 feature on the internet? Probably not. A deer eats one egg six years ago and poses a threat to a critically endangered species but a hawk killing three juvenile birds do not rate a mention in the same article.
Do we have a recipe from this deer on how best to eat said eggs;)
In these times journalists and government departments have become sensationalist and selective. If it doesn’t fit their narrative then they omit.Quote:
Originally Posted by wtd
I totally agree. Farm them all (Kiwi, Weka et al) into survival of the species.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
Don't bother with the kiwi...I have it on good authority that they are shit to eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
I have heard the same thing, apparently Māori didn’t eat them, but what are the eggs like? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by DavidGunn
Like a bloody big balut if left under the hen too long, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigar
If that's so, their beaks would still be useful as skewers for dotterell, Chatham island robin, waxeye and fantail kebabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidGunn
I can inquire as to numbers, may not be exact but would be a good indication.Quote:
Originally Posted by wtd
Interesting about the harrier, have seen them over at masons cruising the dunes most trips there.
corn fedQuote:
Originally Posted by DavidGunn