Joshc just did a hunt, ask him where the bad boys are. I've been trying for a 14 + bull on the east side for years and still trying. Being born lucky is the most envied position. Up in the rangitata one autumn we spotted a bull at the top of the range right on dark making his way down for a night's feed, they don't get old by being silly. BUT lovember is your sneaky answer. Good luck.
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