Thread: Te Urewera

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

no I know Graff boys Dad - neat bugger - been at my place at the lake often for cuppa - no there was an old german chap used to camp at Hopuruahine road end and was a second world war Stuka pilot

@Dusty Fog might know who you are talking about.

Originally Posted by tetawa

You don't mean the Graff's boys dad, the terror of the Lake.

Sounds like the start of a good story there...

Originally Posted by XR500

If those few Tuhoe who wish to burn down huts to remove 'western influence' are true to their ideology, they better keep going and burn all their synthetic warm clothing, Their merino base layers, their quads, plastic boats, outboards, hiluxes, two way radios, satellite phones, cell phones, the computer they wrote that rant on, the freezer they store all their fish and pork/vennie in, Western food and medicine that has doubled their lifespan, the list just keeps going.

I'm a 5th gen NZer. My lineage goes back to Wales and Germany and Eastern Europe. There are several enormous shitfights dating back 500 years among my predecessors, but its 2022, not 1622 and I find it more of passing interest, than a battle that needs keeping alive for eternity to right perceived wrongs. Virtually nothing is gained by looking backwards, except high blood pressure.

During my military career I was posted to a number of Nations that had reverted to tribal rule post their Democracy (of whatever flavour) via a civil war. 30 years on, all of them remain basket cases, and their democracy is but a faded memory.

We dont know their reasons for anything, we are speculating, but I do think that the crown / Police raids of 2007 must still be quite raw and unhealed for Tuhoe.
There is a difference between colonisation and 'western influence' although this is getting off track, Maori had plenty of exposure to 'western influence' ( technology ) for fourty years prior to being colonised. They were growing wheat and potatoes and exporting these to Tasmania and California in their own ships having crewed on American Whale boats for many years. Maori supplied the settlers from the UK here with vegetables before the settlers were growing enough. So the argument could be made that colonisation actually impeded the take-up by Maori of western technology.

Guys, for the full skinny on the current Te Urewera "situation", Google : "We made a National Park disappear"- Cranmer's Substack". This is our future....?

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

A total cluster f*ck. Hopefully the Te Urewera example will put a stop to anything like this from happening again.
A total failure.

Mohawk .308, the problem is that very few people have heard of examples like the Te Urewera one, so don't get too excited over co-governance.

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

The whole hut burning saga got quite a bit of air time. I think quite a few people are waking up about co governance. A lot of people are against 3 waters with one of the reasons being co governance

https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/he...es-five-waters

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

I urge everyone to have a listen to Leighton Smiths podcast 181. A scary insight into where this country is heading under Adern and the Co- Governance she is pushing through.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcast...smith-podcast/

Thank you for that link. Certainly bloody interesting!!!!