I've bumped into half a dozen unrelated people in the last fortnight who are into it...
So, how long until someone gets shot doing it?
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I've bumped into half a dozen unrelated people in the last fortnight who are into it...
So, how long until someone gets shot doing it?
It's a no-no for Joe Bloggs on DOC land for that reason, although I imagine contracted cullers would have special permission to use them.
If you're doing it on private land, then other hunters shouldn't be an issue. (Yeah, right.)
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The first guy I bumped into using it was smack bang in the middle of very busy public land...
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's unaware of the recent changes to the conditions on DOC hunting permits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
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I took a rich Canadian guy out hunting and he had a thermal camera, it was pretty easy to identify the animals so I don't think you would mistake a person for a deer that easily.
It was cool seeing all the possums in the trees.
Maybe using a thermal scope, but using a thermal to spot um all good. Still the usual indentification rules apply
if the user is being responsible.
All I see is jealous poor people that can't afford thermal hunting gear.
ha ha ha yip and i'm one of the poor ones , but i would have one in a blink if i could .Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmay
Its pretty easy to Id a human in broad day light as well but they still get shot in my opinion and that's all it is its just being lazyQuote:
Originally Posted by MDub
It's no different to using a dog its is just another tool,get over it
I am you don't need to loose any sleep over it :)
The last deer I "thermalled" I spotted at around 900y in regenerating native bush in a spot impenetrable to the naked eye.
an hour or two later he walked out onto a clearing in plain veiw but no shot was taken and he was watched with the binos,the next day it was again spotted with the xray vision and clearings ranged and wait for it to walk out into veiw.
All in full daylight with hours of watching involved threw the binos.
I dont really see how it could increase my chances of shooting someone.
just cus they can see the deer doesent mean they can/should shoot it.
Where's yours smart-ass? :DoQuote:
Originally Posted by Timmay
Recent? Pretty sure the permit conditions have said "no hunting during the hours of darkness" for at least the last decade or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Or are you talking about using thermal gear in daylight?
In all honesty, Only a matter of time
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Originally Posted by GravelBen
Or more even....
Interesting to know what the official "hours of darkness" are..
Maybe half an hour before sunrise & half an hour after sunset ????
Which would make the best hunting times illegal in the south in summer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Glad you edited your post, because I was referring to the recent (last 12 months) addition:Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
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That's the definition of daylight, not darkness, so darkness would be from half hour after sunset until half hour before sunrise. Same thing, worded differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
So still no change really.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
whats ya point @stretch ? Thermal is used extensively during the day, no issue at all using it on DOC land.
Its illegal to hunt doc land at night thermal or no thermal
You can get 2 hours of twilight easy in the south in summer so I think it is one of those just use your commonsense dark is dark rules or plenty of hunters would be getting charged for hunting dusk and dawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Up until late last year, I was knocking round with a guy who was getting into rabbit pest control. He bought a xd50 thermal scope. Started out on his ar15, then onto the 22mag.
It was a bit of an arse to sight in, but a very effective tool.
He started using it on deer in doc land at night which was when we parted company.
Personally, I think if you need one for deer, you are defeating the whole ethos of hunting wild game, and are probably not much of a hunter.
But that's just my thoughts
To be fair my recent LR + bino purchase cost more :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
Ok, I've misunderstood something somewhere. I wrongly assumed TI devices were as sensitive to daylight as NVG gear is, but that's not the case. Happy to admit when I'm wrong. Daytime use is totally valid, and any night hunting on DOC land is illegal, regardless of TI/NVG status.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
DOC did make an addition to their permit conditions regarding imaging devices. Here's one from 2014 that I dug out, which makes no mention of TI.
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You could use the same argument for using a gun over a knife when hunting wild game.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidmac42
Hence why everyone is selling NVG and going thermal :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Yes, you could. Come down to our own ethics I guess.
Or helicopters, or drones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
Its interesting to note in 2014 the permit clearly states that "9" Hunting wild animals during the hours of darkness is prohibited. Thats clear cut, no hunting with whatever as stated during darkness.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
But the recent permits stated no where that hunting during darkness is prohibited does it .
What it does now say is "4" the following activities are strictly prohibited during the hours of darkness.
discharging a firearm
use of any light, spotlight , NV, thermal etc.
So, if i was bow hunting during the full moon and could id my target is there actually anything stopping me hunting with a bow if im not using any light(just moonlight).
we know of cause the new permit means no hunting during darkness in DOC land but if it went to court and i was bow hunting with the light of the full moon no where does it state on my permit that hunting wild animals is prohibited during darkness, no where does it say i cant use a bow or approved crossbow...legally am i breaking the conditions of the permit ... camt see where lol.
The fact is they should just state that hunting fullstopp with whatever is prohibited during the hours of darkness, clear cut.
As its written now i cant see how they have a leg to stand on if i wanted to bow hunt during a full moon...... just saying.
Some lawyer tell me im not correct?
Hmm have wondered what the payload of a drone vrs the lightest carbon singleshot rifle...
Im supprised that no has said anything about using drones to scout for animals
http://www.doc.govt.nz/get-involved/...ft-activities/Quote:
Originally Posted by striker
"Aircraft activities on or over public conservation lands and waters must have a concession or authorisation from DOC. This includes both commercial operations and private recreational activities."
...and...
Aircraft are defined under the Civil Aviation Authority rules (external site) and include unmanned aircraft (UAVs/UAS/RPAS/drones)
It doesn't work really, you need to fly quite high (like 300m+) so as not to spook the animals and at that height you cant identify animals on device teh video is streaming back to.Quote:
Originally Posted by striker
I tried to drop in on a pig and it wasnt having anything of it.
The only way drones would be helpull in scouting is if they had a massive zoom camera on the, but that is serious $$$. They are cool for making videos tho and probably quite cool for duck shooting etc.
I use two types of thermal gear, monocular for spotting and thermal scope. You can get that close to deer at night that they are totally oblivious to you, basically like shooting a deer at 200 yds during daylight, you can't mistake a deer for a human. I have no reason to shoot a deer with this setup over 100 yds, its that simple.
Guys in Zambia are using them on the crops for pigs.
First conversation I had with the hunter went like this .
F--k off what if its not a pig?
If anyone has been to Africa they would realise that village people walk everywhere including across crops and farmland.
He told me that you cannot mistake the shape for anything other than what it is.
Cool bit of gear but like anything not fool proof nor should it be used on public land at night.
Its no different to spotlighting on private land in my eyes and if I could justify the cost and had private land to hunt on a regular basis I would give it a crack.
Its a lot of money to spend on a set up most hunters would use 3-4 times a year?
I've seen people spend much, much more money on fast cars only to sit in rush hour traffic 5 days a week.....
What makes you say that? My old flatmate had one and I looked at everything through it and the novelty didn't wear off. Interesting how different materials retained heat (cool looking back at the house and the Windows pumping out the heat) and did you also know that a dogs butt hole is the hottest bit of it??!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zamkiwi
I'm not sure how people could only use that experience 3-4 times a year :ORLY: [emoji6]
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