Toa Hunter-Gatherer

Recorded this earlier to watch with interest tonight. I'd heard some controversy about the shooting of the deer.
Have to say I found the presenter has real camera presence and I really enjoyed a bit of culture and even seeing a hunting technique we dont see down here in the south as much, not my choice of technique but no punches pulled. Im always a proponent of us portaying the cleanest aspects of hunting we can to the public and maybe in future the mercy shot or rapid dispatch of animals can be made more evident but this show was real and I get that.
Pretty impressive prospects I think.

Not very impressed to be honest, watched his YouTube stuff and happy. Thought that first deer shot was a little far back and the second definitely needed dispatching quick, they were in no rush though. Also thought the guys were teaching him how to suck eggs with the anatomy lesson. I'm sure he knew this already but I guess the names were new

Always good to get more hunting shows on nz TV and full credit for that. Never seen dogs being used that way so was interested in the idea.

Just sat down to watch it the second time... Real hunting done the Te Urewera way, different to a lot of people but extremely legitimate and succesful. The shooting scenes could have done with better editing from a eye to the general public viewing, but hey for a first show I was very impressed. Definately looking forward to future episodes!!!!

I think Owen is going to make a great success of this and good on him, he comes across well and practices what he preaches - too much!

bloody awesome show well done team!

I missed this can someone tell me what time and channel please.

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Yeah the shots may have been a bit off but it was real. I liked it. Love Waimana too. Lots of memories

Great no frills hunting show that looked real and not scripted to hell.
Re the messy kill - shit happens not a shocker really.
I find the other shows where there are pig hunting stories that show scenes of dogs holding pigs a lot more distasteful especially when its obvious the dogs have been holding it for a while waiting on the camera to arrive.

Just watched online

A good show all round but agree with above that a faster finishing shot was needed in both cases

@Pointer doggin deer!!

Only way to hunt deer

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Only way to hunt deer

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Do you want a fork to go with that big spoon :P

It's the sport of kings mate. Running things down with dogs and killing them is as old as mankind's relationship with the dog itself :)

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It's the sport of kings mate. Running things down with dogs and killing them is as old as mankind's relationship with the dog itself :)

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Agreed. Now if I could just get my hell hound to chase the deer towards me instead of the opposite....;)

the video explains all Pengy, you have to start the dog at the tops of watersheds and send them down natural stops like rivers and bluffs to the shooters :) Deer always stay in front of the dogs, they bounce off for a bit, then stop, bounce off etc. The way those deer were just trotting down the river means it was done correctly, not with a dog up its clacker. To those that complained about the shooting, it happens. Anyone who hasn't pulled off a bad shot hasn't been hunting long. We all do it. This was just shown as it was, which I think is the theme of the program. a much more real approach to some of the contrived hunting shows on TV.

Which brings me to say, I really enjoyed it. I relate more to this show than the others, in fact I can't stand some of the contrived shit that ends up in some of those hunting shows. this was much more honest, and didn't try to be anything it wasn't. Well done Toa hunter gatherer!

I agree with everything posted by Pointer he/she was spot on.

I disagree pointer i think there should have been a finishing shot on the 2nd deer and probably the 1st deer aswel.

Well said @Pointer.

I loved it. I don’t think you could have portrayed it any more ‘real’ than what we saw. A real credit to Owen for having the desire and motivation to share his passion with others.

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I agree with everything posted by Pointer he/she was spot on.

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Correct on both counts, Pointer is a heshe :D

I enjoyed it. Typical Tuhoe humour (Uncle Maui I think it was).

I've made shots like that, not many, but I have. The world didn't stop spinning!

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I disagree pointer i think there should have been a finishing shot on the 2nd deer and probably the 1st deer aswel.

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Personally I would have drilled the second deer in the swede when it was on the riverbed too, but thats because I'm a greedy bugger and I dont like them getting back up. It is what it is, and it doesn't take away from the show.

Reading over at the other pub it seems the guy has taken on board feedback about the two kills and how they were portrayed, He claims to have had no control over the editing of the released episode but took it upon himself to fly down and visit the editors in person to relay feedback he had received - similar to what guys are saying here.

Top notch thing to do. I look forward to more of his episodes.

Did enjoy it and didn't mean to be too harsh. Am looking forward to more episodes, good on him for putting the effort in

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Reading over at the other pub it seems the guy has taken on board feedback about the two kills and how they were portrayed, He claims to have had no control over the editing of the released episode but took it upon himself to fly down and visit the editors in person to relay feedback he had received - similar to what guys are saying here.

Top notch thing to do. I look forward to more of his episodes.

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Just finished reading that thread too. Good to see him responding well to criticism & taking feedback on board. He's got a great attitude, & I look forward to seeing more from him!

Interesting disclaimer / warning at start "this program may include . . . scenes of violence to animals . . "

Does that imply that we are committing an act violence when we go hunting . . . Or is this just another example of PC on steroids ?

Filmed with more discretion than when Howie Morrison did the same on Hunting Aotearoa where the dogs mauled a deer in a stream/creek

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Interesting disclaimer / warning at start "this program may include . . . scenes of violence to animals . . "

Does that imply that we are committing an act violence when we go hunting . . . Or is this just another example of PC on steroids ?

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A warning like that is so that the majority of people in our society who have all lost touch with reality by having become over politically corrected can be warned of the need to avert their sensitive eyes from being offended by seeing the apex predator man causing the death of an animal for food through the deployment and use of subservient predators and in so doing cause blood to be seen. Or in plain speak "it is bullshit"!

Or the warnings are so the mamby pamby politically correct do-gooders know what to watch and start screaming cruelty ban hunting. Hunting is cruel 7 hours bush yesterday saw zilch, nothing, jack shit, no signs and that is cruel. Probably due to the guy who was in the carpark to see if his lost pig dog had come back. Hunting / fishing shows generally are a hard watch. Today we are going after (fill in the blank) oh look theirs one. I will give this show a watch.

Great show .. keep it coming

I thought he was going to use the bow, and yer, I`v done that on goats with the old .303 with army amo, have to get in quick to finish them, don`t like to see them suffer. Real hunting. Homebrew.357.

Have it on series record, watched the first one last night as the wife was out on the piss so I managed to get control of the remote!

I enjoyed it, a relaxed new style of hunting program....I enjoy his youtube also.

Dogging deer is not my style but who am I to judge, humans have hunted that way for thousands of years and I enjoyed seeing how it was done NZ style in the here and now.

As for the deer themselves I would have given both a mercy shot as others have mentioned but I still do not think it portrayed hunting in a bad light at all.

Thumbs up from me.:thumbsup::cool:

Just watched the last? in the series.
Really enjoyed it as I have the rest of the series.

Well done Owen and team.:cool:

I'd like to see him give bow hunting reds,sika, and whitetail a go. You'd need a very good camera man and a whole lot of patience.

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I'd like to see him give bow hunting reds,sika, and whitetail a go. You'd need a very good camera man and a whole lot of patience.

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Heya guys I am learning to navigate this forum- Just want to say cheers for the comments- Yep had a hard Run with the first episode, It wasint quite edited as it happend but on another forum have explained and moved forward. Quite rapt to see the thread here much appreciated guys. Has been a learning curve this year, as an update we are in the prep for Series 2, first series was a trail for us and Im greatful for the out come and what was eventually achieved.

I would have loved to show full time Trad bow bowhunting but powers that be control that side of things to give it a balance.

Rusky- Im looking forward to Sika and Whitetail mate, I wont say too much there as thats next Series, Reds on the other hand Ive managed a fair share now with the bow...and your bang on..the challenge is getting the Cameraman in the zone too. That has been my biggest challenge this year.

Cheers Again to all that commented good and bad- It all helps with moving forward and progress.

Toa

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Heya guys I am learning to navigate this forum- Just want to say cheers for the comments- Yep had a hard Run with the first episode, It wasint quite edited as it happend but on another forum have explained and moved forward. Quite rapt to see the thread here much appreciated guys. Has been a learning curve this year, as an update we are in the prep for Series 2, first series was a trail for us and Im greatful for the out come and what was eventually achieved.

I would have loved to show full time Trad bow bowhunting but powers that be control that side of things to give it a balance.

Rusky- Im looking forward to Sika and Whitetail mate, I wont say too much there as thats next Series, Reds on the other hand Ive managed a fair share now with the bow...and your bang on..the challenge is getting the Cameraman in the zone too. That has been my biggest challenge this year.

Cheers Again to all that commented good and bad- It all helps with moving forward and progress.

Toa

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Welcome to the best hunting and shooting forum on the net ToaHG [emoji41]

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Be nice to see a bit more on your bow making Owen


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Heya guys I am learning to navigate this forum- Just want to say cheers for the comments- Yep had a hard Run with the first episode, It wasint quite edited as it happend but on another forum have explained and moved forward. Quite rapt to see the thread here much appreciated guys. Has been a learning curve this year, as an update we are in the prep for Series 2, first series was a trail for us and Im greatful for the out come and what was eventually achieved.

I would have loved to show full time Trad bow bowhunting but powers that be control that side of things to give it a balance.

Rusky- Im looking forward to Sika and Whitetail mate, I wont say too much there as thats next Series, Reds on the other hand Ive managed a fair share now with the bow...and your bang on..the challenge is getting the Cameraman in the zone too. That has been my biggest challenge this year.

Cheers Again to all that commented good and bad- It all helps with moving forward and progress.

Toa

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Seems to me this forum has a lot more positive comments and a lot less negativity and bitching about DOC and 1080etc... I think you'll enjoy this one Toa[emoji2] ..keep up your awesome work my friend!

I am a hunter, I hunt without apology or guilt...

Owen lets get you out there this summer and get a marlin. Any traditional methods used on large fish??
PM if you actually want to :thumbsup:

I like Owens PM. Its on