:D yeah bro those were mountain cows a special breed of hereford crossed with chamois living above the tree lineQuote:
Originally Posted by turtle
And wow the Hunua's, such an impenetrable mountainside!
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:D yeah bro those were mountain cows a special breed of hereford crossed with chamois living above the tree lineQuote:
Originally Posted by turtle
And wow the Hunua's, such an impenetrable mountainside!
One day you will understand,maybe after it's to late. Time to remove the blinkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
This is what its like on the frontline now. My lawyers bill was $22,336,75 of which the Poison Free NZ crowd funding paid $13,000
They should not have done this to an old soldier, he will neither forgive them or forget them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7_xZ4r49p4
Here's another perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graeme Sturgeon
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/17-...-and-got-ugly/
Geeze who wrote that dribble? DOC can write that, but still cannot see how to stop it? I think that shows they need to open up and truly show us just how good and friendly 1080 is? I think that maybe like pushing melted butter up a porcupines arse with a hot needle? If not, DOC have to show leadership and stop being bullies? I think the balls in their court to resolve it and stop bitching!
The poison crowd are under pressure , they'll never admit it like. The amount of people now against the crap is huge,that has to be good in the long term.
When a rat becomes cornered it'll do the unthinkable,don't think for one minute that the poison crew are any different.
Albeit a mainstream media perspective....which is in no way biased...??[emoji848][emoji848]🤨🤨Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
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Yeah your right, we should probably stick to reliable honest media sources like Clyde grafs YouTube account.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiroatedson
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Never said that. As ‘Thar’ it’s about perspective. Funny though how a post was put up about a article of ‘ how the antis have got/are getting a game plan..’ to deflect from a article of someone that was actually assaulted(in front of witnesses) and was then charged with assault. Kinda cunning if you ask me...[emoji848][emoji848]🤨Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
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Yeah sorry that came off more snarky than intended. Point is bias and media spin exist on both sidesQuote:
Originally Posted by tiroatedson
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Definitely [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
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Did you read The post Tahr put up mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiroatedson
Sorry but assualting doc workers doing there job sits just as badly in my books.
I have a new respect for Graeme Sturgeon after what he did, but it wasnt his job he had a choice to go there, a lot of these doc workers are just like you and me trying to pay the Bill's and feed the family and there getting attacked we gotta clean it up a.
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Ok...yes Brads I read the post ‘Thar’ put up. The reason why I put mine up as I thought I explained to ‘Nick-D’ was about media bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Yes Graeme had a choice to be at the scene. He was still assaulted by a unregistered security guard. The security guard had a choice to be on scene ..or not. He chose to be there. He chose to assault Graeme..(according to what I’ve read, I could be wrong). So that was a actual assault.
As for ‘Thar’s’ link. That was talking about threats to DOC staff. In no way shape or form I condone that.
Yes you are right they are doing their jobs as you do put it to support them and there families. That again is a choice. Just like I choose my occupation and place of employment. That’s my choice.
As I said to ‘Nick-D’ ‘Thar’s’ post/link was about deflection...deflecting from Graeme’s post about a actual assault, court hearing and how much it’s cost him.
Yes you are right it’s gotta be cleaned up. That works both ways.
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I agree with most of what your saying, except not everyone has a choice where they work, sometime it's all they've got.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiroatedson
I also dont think Tahr was defecting I think he was just pointing out this happens to Doc workers countrywide on a very regular basis...
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I’m not saying it doesn’t happen to DOC workers around the country on a regular basis. Pretty suck if it does and certainly don’t condone it. If there’s being assaults the perpetrators should be charged and held accountable. Again though threats not assault so possibly a degree of deflection going on....Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
As for choice..? Yes we still all have a choice...it’s that for some the choices aren’t flash...
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Just goig back a little to fatal effects of poison. LD50 actually means 50% of the affected population will die. That is very high odds and totally unacceptable where an extremely lethal poision is involved. Where vulnerable species are concerned, such as humans or bats or kea or weka or dogs, surely an LD rating of only LD1 should be considered to vastly exceed any precautionary principle!
Put simply and realistically, the true risks of using this and sumilar poisons is being inexcusably downplayed.
Here something interesting.
No one is likely to come out of this smelling of roses but I've seen the farmer's version, and once again, here's another perspective.
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Yep. The old story " he said; she said. " Few people will trust WRC as "independent" though. Shoukd be undertaken by truly independent agency that has no government affiliations whatsoever.
Even having Federated Farmers do the investigation would be Far better tha Waikato Regional Council.
Even the meat and wool board would be more trustworthy than WRC!
And; the fact remains that normal SOP's with aerial 1080 has a no drop buffer of 150 to 500 metres away from farm bounaries, stock snd dwellings; 200 m+ upstream of water intakes! WTF were DoC doing?
You are wrong Woody, Ld 50 is a measure of the concentration of a toxin in relation to body weight where 50 % of individuals in a test group will as you say die. Figures are typically determined for rats, mice or other laboratory animals and usually extrapolated for other animals.
It is used to determine the concentration required in baits to achieve positive kill. It is not in a measure of lethality on a scale of 1 to 100. It frustrates me that both sides of this debate often misinterpret scientific data or reinvent it to suit there ends.
Interesting talk on getting your point across - any issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3iY0ZL1_kg
Social media manipulation offers huge opportunities for any group savvy enough to do so look at safe.
Marty Henry; the LD50 will kill 50%of the population and in conjunction with this the ckassification of the poison must be taken into consideration. In the case of 1080 it classed by WHO as Class 1A-extremely hazardous. Thus any lethality risk is still massive and this poison is not for handling by cowboys, which looks to be occurring in NZ.
If the WRC is anything like most Regional Councils they'll more than likely find the cows choked on Dock leaves or some other shit..always someone covering someone's arse when it comes to utter carelessness with a deadly poison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
Problem is who’s that though...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
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Well; the Feds wouldnt be a bad option since its a farm issue. Otherwise I suggest hiring an independent investigator of very high calibre from an offshore neutral country such as Switzerland, Germany , Sweden, Denmark, Finland or Belgium, or even Interpol. Gotta stay away from NZ Government influence Im sorry to say.
The robustness of an investigation rests on the process, not who does it. The starting point is rigorous terms of reference.
However, the perceived fairness of the outcome rests on the independence of who does it.
Woody's tongue in cheek comment is correct because it suggests that no person exists who would be independent enough.
So just get on with it.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/discu...0-geoff-booth/
This popped up on my newsfeed the other day. Be interested in other peoples thoughts if they take the time to read it.
Excellent article well written by someone who appears to have a creditable background. Thanks for that @McNotty
As above. Solid middle ground report.
Should be compulsory reading, for all that want to debate 1080
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That has to be the best thing I have ever read on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by McNotty
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You know; our Nz Wildlands Biodiversity Management Society tried for several weeks to provide virtually identical evidence as Mr Booth has presented here, to Jan Wright and the PCE back in 2010 . PCE refused to hear us. We then documented it all onto CDs and sent 11 copies to NZ Parliamentary partys and to Mr Speaker and Clerk of the House. They have known for eight years and yet still quote the erroneous and misleading PCE report !Quote:
Originally Posted by McNotty
That is an excellent report - the cruelty associated with the use of 1080 is horrificQuote:
Originally Posted by McNotty
I am personally very greatfull that you posted the article Woody
Actually, it was posted by McNotty. I am also grateful he posted it.
I think Al Gore should reply to it on behalf of DOC?:(
That might be inconvenientQuote:
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