Thread: West Coast Thar Ballot.

Have to admit, well put Dave'o

I know a guide from here in Oz that was shown the ropes by a mate back on the coast. He now guides paying hunters from Oz in the ballot area. No liability of any sort or any ACC payed. Yet it is technically legal.

I think what he ment R93 was in Vic any Kiwi can hunt public land same as an Aussie and take what is shot home to NZ same we can do in reverse

Yes mainly Sambar but plenty of fallow for meat. Trophy fallow are a lot harder to get as they get a real hammering in Vic

R93 I agree with you about the Aussie doing the guiding but not your keep it all for us attitude. Especially when I hear about the summer time bomb ups that Kiwis have on the tahr herds
We might have to agree to disagree on that

We could have the same attitude about our jobs but that wouldn't be helpful either

Cheers Ackley

Most people I encounter here, have the kiwis shouldn't have jobs before Aussies, attitude. TBF, I actually agree, for the most part.

I do not give a rats ass about Victoria I will never hunt there. My whole country can be hunted and exploited by non residents for free. That's is my point.
Sorry but there is no way I should miss out on a ballot to hunt in my country to a non resident. I along with a number of other hunters that are actually west coasters will be doing everything in our power to have it addressed as well.

I have no objections to the rest of the year. I agree on the bomb ups, especially in the ballot areas. People are just stupid thinking it has to be done as the bull to nanny ratio is severely buggered at the moment.
Most non residents I have come across also have no idea on trophy assessment. (neither have a lot of NZers to be fair) I have seen a pile of 12 heads taken by 3 hunters last year, where the largest would struggle to reach 11" Just plain ignorant and selfish.
All non residents should be guided and pay a trophy fee if they take a bull during the ballot period. It will stop random bomb ups and undersize animals being shot that is currently ruining a resource for those that can make a living off them.

Originally Posted by R93

What is incorrect exactly BH? All of NZ has public hunting opportunities. Dont really care about anywhere else as I am happy to pay if I have to. I am also talking about a unique, balloted period and area. So I fail to see how I am incorrect in what I initially said and want as a NZer regarding my hunting/user rights.
I will never hunt NSW. I reside in QLD. Not saying I want to hunt here either. Ridiculous laws and opportunity out-weigh the desire and reward IMO.
I do not want to miss out on a limited yearly ballot for areas I live and play in, because a non-resident won it, over me. It needs to be stopped. Period.
It is not just my opinion. Thar are unique in the SH and if you want to hunt them in NZ you should pay to have the privilage as a non-reident as I would expect to, going to any other country to hunt and will do so, happily.

I'll have you know I'm in on the ballot with Tui_man safari's, hunting with that rough character is payment enough

6 ballots in and I drew nothing! !!!! Looks like the drive down to haast on the 17th of March for me

How everyone else get on?

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Don't worry @tui_man2 I'm sure @R93 will be happy to have you and us aussies along on his tahr block he drew

Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter

Don't worry @tui_man2 I'm sure @R93 will be happy to have you and us aussies along on his tahr block he drew

I have not heard if I have a block yet.
Maybe I got one and all the missed ballot went first??,



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This is that age-old argument of commerce/tourism $ vs lifestyle for resident citizens. I support R93 wholeheartedly and want this BS to be addressed by the GAC.
We have areas in NZ which are not hunted intensely and animal numbers become concerning, so DoC's response us to aerial drop 1080 and claim it as possum control. Why not communicate with stakeholders and "sell" the culling opportunities to foreigners and commercial guides instead?
I will pre-empt responses... "Because the country is probably rough, steep and hard to hunt". So? Why should guided tourists get the easy (especially balloted) areas instead?
Kiwis first in kiwi land!

Brother got Perverse Creek 3rd Period so that's me sorted unless I get better news in the mail tomorrow...

You can draw Barlow 3Rd to haha

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Originally Posted by tui_man2

You can draw Barlow 3Rd to haha

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Don't even think I had it on my list? Way I figure it, I could only have Mahitahi, Poerua or Shelter Hollow. I had Perverse Creek as my 1st choice and Bubble Creek #2. Brother had Bubble Creek as his first choice & Perverse 2nd choice...

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Apart from one success I have only heard of rejection letters today.
Hoping the majority of successful ballots arrive in the mail tomorrow.


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Dave, while I hold with your opinion on the guided hunts in the ballot area, I do wonder how objecting to international hunters taking a punt in our ballot blocks is any different to the attitude of certain locals in Whirinaki ...

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...s-mates-12404/

Surely we're not that hypocritical?

Originally Posted by ishoot10s

Dave, while I hold with your opinion on the guided hunts in the ballot area, I do wonder how objecting to international hunters taking a punt in our ballot blocks is any different to the attitude of certain locals in Whirinaki ...

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...s-mates-12404/

Surely we're not that hypocritical?

FFS. I have nothing against anyone hunting anywhere.
I do have an issue with a ballot for an area I live and play being flooded with overseas applications and preventing Kiwi hunters a fair whack at hunting their back yard. It is literally flooded with Australian applicants.
I haven't painted any signs.
Maybe if a few more people had their favourite hunting areas balloted and missed out to overseas hunters all the time they would view it differently.

Try and hunt in Canada or the Us as a foreigner. They have it right.

We do it all wrong in NZ. We literally give away access and rights to our animals in NZ when we can't really afford to. Our guiding fraternity is allowed to undercut each other killing any value in the industry. We are simply to cheap compared to the rest of the world.
If the Aussies had a ballot system I bet ya a thousand they would not allow applications from overseas.
Especially from Kiwis.



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