He's clear as day to me. Why didn't the media go to the President of a recognised, long standing, lobby group for game animals instead of some one like Sam???
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He's clear as day to me. Why didn't the media go to the President of a recognised, long standing, lobby group for game animals instead of some one like Sam???
Pretty sure they did interview someone from NZDA.
National's Commitment to Hunting and Fishing a Big Step Forward
Media Release
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
24 July 2023
National's commitment to hunting and fishing a big step forward
The National Party’s Plan for Hunting and Fishing, which was announced at the New Zealand Deerstalker’s Association Conference over the weekend, is a major step forward for the rights of hunters and the management of game animals in New Zealand, says NZDA Chief Executive Gwyn Thurlow.
“Hunting and fishing are not merely pastimes,” Gwyn says. “They represent integral components of our nation's cultural heritage.”
“Hundreds-of-thousands of Kiwis have grown up cherishing their right to hunt and fish, and through responsible participation, they not only forge a lifelong bond with the environment, but also actively contribute to the conservation of our native species.”
“National's proposal to establish a dedicated Minister for Hunting and Fishing demonstrates the party’s understanding of the profound impact that these activities have on our society. This dedicated role will serve as a strong representative for hunters and fishers and ensure the sector’s voice will be heard at the Cabinet table.”
NZDA is pleased to see National's commitment to formally classifying deer tahr, chamois and wild pigs as game animals.
“The Aotearoa New Zealand Biodiversity Strategy 2020 has determined these are valued introduced species alongside others such as trout and salmon. Unfortunately, there is a high degree of inconsistency across legislation and planning documents, which not only disregards the value of these animals to New Zealanders, but hinders their management,” Gwyn says.
“National’s approach rightly recognises that hunters are the key to the future management of these animals and sets the stage for a more harmonious coexistence between conservation, commercial, mahinga kai and recreational activities.”
The NZDA welcomes proposals to strengthen the Game Animal Council and provide for the designation of 'herds of special interest' (HOSI).
“Strengthening the GAC and designating HOSI aligns closely with NZDA's mission to promote sustainable hunting opportunities,” Gwyn says.
“Empowering hunters to actively participate in hunter-led management is a key component of modern, progressive game animal management, and where it is already happening, is making a tangible difference in preserving biodiversity.”
“The efforts put in by hunters in managing game animal numbers and eradicating pest species, such as goats, rats and stoats, are critical to improving environmental outcomes and ensuring our native flora and fauna thrive.”
"Hunters are true conservation volunteers, with hunting organisations dedicating thousands of hours to conservation programmes on top of the role they play in game animal management through recreational hunting.”
Guaranteeing free and enduring access to public lands for hunting and fishing is of paramount importance to NZDA.
“Such unrestricted access is what Kiwis have enjoyed for generations and it fosters a strong sense of connection with the outdoors and enables responsible recreation,” Gwyn says. “National's commitment to preserving these opportunities will undoubtedly reinforce the bond between Kiwis and their natural environment.”
Establishing Huts of Recreational Importance is another important commitment.
“Our backcountry huts serve as more than mere shelters for hunter, fishers and trampers - they embody our outdoor heritage and make access to our backcountry possible for many hundreds-of-thousands of New Zealanders,” Gwyn says.
NZDA is one of the founders of the Backcountry Trust and many projects are carried out by NZDA branches and volunteers.
“National's vision to collaborate with volunteer groups and DOC demonstrates their dedication to fostering a sense of community and supporting that community to preserve its precious backcountry assets.”
NZDA also commends National's steadfast support for Fish & Game New Zealand.
“Fish & Game is an essential organisation dedicated to protecting trout and salmon fishing for future generations. Many NZDA members are also fishers, and value these introduced species. Preserving the health of our aquatic ecosystems is a responsibility we all share and National's commitment in this regard reflects their understanding of the delicate balance between recreational fishing and conservation.”
“National’s policy, if implemented, can go a long way to preserving our hunting and fishing heritage, while helping to manage game animal numbers and safeguard the future of our native species,” says Gwyn. “This would leave a lasting legacy for generations to come.”
For media enquiries and further information, please contact:
Gwyn Thurlow
Chief Executive Officer, New Zealand Deerstalkers Association
Phone: 027 4060 060
Email: gwyn.thurlow@deerstalkers.org.nz
What he does i.e. trapping stoats etc to save whio is more important that his tongue does. Very keen to shoot deer on the farms where he traps and to take out the TV presenter.
Blahahaha yeah bud I wonder that myself, I was trying to get my point of view across & in a hurry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
I've been working all day, then have ended up on the phone all night while attempting to get work invoices done, haven't had a scrub or dinner yet & my alarm goes off a 5:30 ( the joys of being self employed ) then having to justify myself on here, I don't really giv a fuk this fulla but he bit a nerve for me last night & no I don't really care about contacting the cunt ( I know someone that knows the bearded fuk wit ) I've got better things to do hahahahhaa
I choose to hang out with people I love n respect, just spent the weekend with a bunch of true GC's ( all off the old FnH forum ) what a great way to spend a night in the bush
Peace out, I'm off to have a thermonuclear shower :P :D
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/wild-ka...episodes/s2-e8Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipo
@veitnamcam there is a line in middle of the bit above which might be VERY good to bring up with siad person vying for power and may get you some traction on boatramp issue...... yes its NZDA said access is important in this speil but hopefully this SAM the trapman says it too....
Sam's a good guy. Does have a lot of trapping experience, and is involved in a Whio protection programme. Hunts a fair bit in NI but comes south for chammy and tahr too.
I'd say he's a good guy to cover our sport and hobby.
I reckon we need to look at and listen to many stories and consider many perspectives before forming an opinion. Rather than simply blasting off.
"Its not that the single story is untrue, it's that it is incomplete".
I thought it was an exceptional article. Firstly it started with some facts, National has released what it believes is some new ideas.
Someone new, that we’ve not heard from before, who has great conservational knowledge pointed out that many of Nationals new ideas were not actually new and that they really didn’t go far enough to address the issues around the loss of Biodiversity and habitat. Sage was also 100% right. We need better wild/pest/game animal control.
Trophy hunters have basically been using Public Conservation Land to ‘farm’ and ‘harvest’ high value products at the tax payers expense. Our asset has devalued as a result of the overgrazing caused by unacceptable levels of grazing mammals on Public Conservation Land, no farmer would tolerate that situation on their own land, that’s why they sell and buy stock to control the amount of grazing available.
Great stuff Sam, your fresh and knowledgeable approach highlighted an important issue that needs to be addressed.
If it wasn’t for volunteer groups like the one he’s involved in NZ would be in a very sad state as far as biodiversity goes.
There’s like 300,000 licensed firearm owners in NZ isn’t there? Why do we feel so entitled?
Howdy CraigQuote:
Originally Posted by craigc
Could you please clarify your paragraph on trophy hunting being the cause of the problem. And do you mean high end guided hunting, or anyone who targets antler/horn over meat?
It just appears to me that the deer issue is far more wide spread than the areas with animals with trophy potential.
Regarding Sam, he is a top guy, and those who know him would probably agree that he is totally conservation orientated, but not over the top like Sage etc.
And who knows how long his interview was to get those few cherry picked comments.
Personally I think that if anyone is ever asked to partake in an interview such as that, they should hold a watch close to their face (so it can't be cropped out of the picture) so the viewers can see how much of the interview has beeb cut or rearranged.
I submitted to the review of Doc Waro operations in Feb. Also copying my submission to the Ministers of Tourism and Conservation
The following is one of the reply letters I received 12 July:
National WARO – New Land Schedule Key Points
Over the last day some misunderstanding has arisen regarding the new WARO land schedule and the scale of changes from the last permit in 2015.
The Department would like to highlight the following key points in relation to the new WARO land schedule:
· There are 8.7 million hectares of public conservation land. Of this, 6.4 million hectares is accessible to WARO at some time annually (76.2%). This is only 0.1% higher than the total accessible to WARO since the last change in 2015.
· The conservation land within the schedule is designated either Permitted (accessible to WARO all year except for Christmas and the roar exclusion periods); Restricted (accessible to WARO only during certain seasons or periods) and Not Permitted (national WARO isn’t allowed at any time during the year).
· Within the 6.4 million hectares accessible to WARO, just over 4 million hectares is Permitted all year (but for Christmas and the roar). This is a 2.3% reduction since 2015. 2.4 million hectares is Restricted to part of a year (a 4.2% increase). This reflects our desire to facilitate appropriate WARO access whilst considering the role of recreational hunters.
· The land schedule review forms part of the processing of applications for new WARO permits, many of which have been around since 2018. Applicants have an expectation that their applications will be decided in a reasonable time.
Within this overview, there will be some local changes at place that both recreational hunters and WARO operators may not be happy about. While some stakeholders may feel that their feedback was not taken into consideration, it has but could only be accepted where it was consistent with the legislation, conservation management plans and the deer control policy, within which the Department is bound to operate legally, and the purpose of the consultation.
Having been considered, the Department needed to make decisions and move forward with processing the WARO applications.
Your feedback however has also provided useful views and data around WARO that has contributed to the independent systems analysis of WARO currently underway to define problems that might merit work on improvements. The aim of this work is to provide a comprehensive understanding of issues and identify opportunities to improve wild animal management throughout New Zealand.
This system analysis is a longer-term piece of work and there will be further communications about any potential changes or further consultation related to this.
Please note that whilst this is a separate process from the Department’s consideration of applications for new WARO permits, it could influence the potential term offered, for example.
We thank you for your continued engagement, further information can be found at National wild animal recovery operations (doc.govt.nz)
Nāku noa, nā/Yours sincerely
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Carl Jones
Senior Permissions Advisor
Hokitika Service Centre
There has been basically no change, meaning that Alpine helicopters will do their annual stag runs through the Ashburton, Rakaia, Mathias and Wanaka headwater catchments - being the best trophy stag producing areas in the country. Other companies will shoot the Hokitika etc.
They will leave the hinds and take the big fat stags from the open basins.
It is clear to me that this only discourages recreational hunting and achieves little for conservation. Sam does not speak for me.
Can you please explain what it is that trophy hunters do that has cost taxpayer? And are you suggesting that trophy hunters ( or anyone, for that matter) have a greater responsibility to anything than the average citizen?Quote:
Originally Posted by craigc