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I was showing a very knowledgable hunter at work a photo of a recent fallow deer I shot and he said it was a humell and went on to say a humell is a male deer that never grows antlers.
He said they can grow very big because all the goodness is going into the body of the animal instead of growing antlers.
Here is a photo of said animal, so what say you?
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yup, heard of , and i would say yes.... yes this is ?
depends on its "wedding tackle"
uncle shot a roaring red...it had no antlers but on other end had..bum,fanny,ball and pizzle...
hermaphrodite is I believe the technical term for such a beastie...its neither male nor female but actually both....
your deer may have just damaged its antlers in early velvet stage or some such...
Look to me like it's had antlers but has dropped them. I have come across two reds that I suspected were humels but they didn't have any sign of antler formation at all.
Here's one.
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It had a big set of nuts, I shot it about 3 weeks ago which I thought would be too early to drop antlers.
However you guys are experienced hunters so you would know more than me, thanks for your answers so far. I'm just interested.
I don't think its a hummel. This one looks more like its done damage too its pedicles fighting and the result is little of no antler growth. Ive seen them fight so hard they have ripped the entire pedicle out of thier skull. Though I have never seen one do it too both antlers.
Your right there mickey that's a hermaphrodite more common in sheep than deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
But a Hummel is not a hermaphrodite, it's a normal stag that will hold hinds but won't grow antlers,
I'm unsure what part of the country the op is in but the fallow here are still in hard antler and normally are till sep-oct,
Certainly, it looks like a Hummel to me.
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It was shot in South Canterbury
back when they first started putting mature farmed stags out for safari..they ran into a massive issue...stags who had previously been velveted every year had never grown the strength of bone around the antler peticle to fight with the by now heavy set of antlers they had grown..many ripped skull apart and died...this is why we now see many stags in hard antler running around paddocks..they are building bone strength etc for when they go out on the hill to be shot lol....
plenty of deer around with damaged antlers the electric outriggers on fences are leathal for damaging velvet and fallow dont see a wire netting fence as an obsticle..its just a series of hole with wire around it....
at one stage I had photos on my phone (too blurry to bother posting) of a yearling/2year old white fallow in mid air as it went through a deer netting fence..it ran full throttle at fence ,jumped and sailed straight through it like it wasnt there.....had it had velvet...it may well have taken it off.
fallow are terrible around fences,many get caught up n die so its not improbable your fella damaged himself at some point in life and never recovered from it.
Thanks for all the replies so far guys, there seems to be a few different ideas but an interesting topic and I guess we may never know for sure.
I welcome more ideas
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No sign of antler growth there?
You are looking like being right judging by that :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
Pretty sure they can still have those little stubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
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I shot one similar last week but I can’t upload a photo of it, it has no antler but it has the knobs where they grow and it wasn’t a spiker
I had never heard of this before but @Shearer sent me some good info and it was a good read
Yeah I shot one when I ran a well known station up the Clarence . I think your Fallow has damaged his antlers somehow , the red stag I shot had a purse and bulls but had only small bumps that could be felt under his skin on his skull. He was in fantastic condition and a struggle to get out too the ute. He didn't hold any hinds or roar and wasn't all pizzled up.
yes many of us elder buggers can tell story's of all the abnormalities we have come across - from sheep cattle and deer - farming lambs with two bits -etc - happens occasionally farming - some real weird - nut damage early and yup that causes permanent antler damage - but does not seem to damage eating quality - remember some of the early lamb stuff where the practice was to ram the poor buggers nuts inside and then put a ring around his sack and grow him into a big fat bugger to be sold - damn delicious
Next time, be sure to ascertain it’s preferred pronouns before you shoot it…. :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by 7mm Rem Mag
or squish cords so was infertile but still grew out like a ram/bullQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
From memory, Hummels occur from fawns being removed from their mother (hind) too early- perhaps the hind was shot or died or something else happened but if the fawn does not stay with its mum long enough it can stunt the groeth of the Antlers later on. Not sure if it is a hereditary trait too, but they can definitely breed.....
So reading that bit would be music to ears of folks milking deer.we can buy deer milk cheese here in Geraldine.i can see advertisement now....eat your cheese and grow big n strong....or horny lol
I shot one up behind Dairy Flat 25 years ago, a red stag that had no balls nor a scar where they had been, no pedicles but did have a pizzle. I've a photo of it at home somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
It was a big bodied animal, and was running in a mob of 6, hinds mostly.
It tasted fine.
Hummels are antlerless red deer stags. This abnormality has been attributed to poor feeding conditions which result in failure by the deer to grow complete pedicles. Incomplete pedicles lack the potential to develop normal antlers
found this with the build up in deer may see a few more ??- mate back from south Te Urewera said deer they shot were very poor condition- in saying that though this fallow could still be antler damage from early velvet - they are hard on fences especially as some on here have said wire netting and fallow not a good mix
actually saw an anterless red stag holding hinds this past roar..apparently there are a couple running around on property.... they would be first on the culling list for me.
must be climate change:o
A mate came across a bunch of 5 what he thought were decent fat hinds a couple of weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Watched them for half an hour thinking there would be a stag with them, then noticed they all had bumps on their heads (hummels he thought).
Shot one and it was hermaphradite.
Dont know if the others were as well. weird.
Fat as.
Kind of speculating whether they could interbreed.
NRF
must be that bloody climate change
Shoot one a few years ago. There seem to be lots of theory about how it occurs. some say its hereditary and that they can breed so if that's the case it's good that is dead
I shoot mine up the Haka and it was all eaten at the Toby Shoot we hade up there later on that year they still taste good
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its all this awoke bulldust its mutating to animals run
Here’s one I shot last year, I thought it might be an escapee but had no tags. Did have balls and pizzle.
Yep Humells exist. Id say that's not one from the shape of the knobs. The one massive red I seen had two smooth rounded knobs on its head. People wont believe this but i stood within 2 meters while it roared its head off. Massive animal, walked past smelled me looked back and I said Boo :). He crashed away like a fast Clydesdale.
Wasn't in the Swale catchment in Bluff was it? Was one in there for a good few years, and also a melanistic hind as well.Quote:
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