Thread: WorkSafe: hunting on farmland

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Because unfortunately the Darwin failures are often the ones that kill the others rather than themselves

yep, my experience too. Generally stupid people are still clever enough to survive at all costs and its others who bear the brunt.


@Ryan_Songhurst How do you get on when your friends or Forum Members (like me) who might decide to pop in un-announced if we are going past on way to Ch-Ch

Originally Posted by H&K MAN

This health and safety rubbish has gone to far.Its designed to put the costs whether time or money on to small business. And help shut them down.Big companies can absorb the costs easy.Just more corporate grab as far as i'm concerned.Our great country is turning to shit slowly.

H&S has been taken over by the bureaucrat fucktards. .The corporate sector got rid of a lot of the cunts when the GFC hit, the government was also axing jobs for the self important fuckheads. Along came a directive for ACC to maximize profits and wham the bureaucrats had found another home. H&S is now a parasitic organism that will consume it's host.

Originally Posted by Steve123

H&S has been taken over by the bureaucrat fucktards. .The corporate sector got rid of a lot of the cunts when the GFC hit, the government was also axing jobs for the self important fuckheads. Along came a directive for ACC to maximize profits and wham the bureaucrats had found another home. H&S is now a parasitic organism that will consume it's host.

ACC do not administer the Act nor have a role in enforcing it. WorkSafe have those roles, which is a different Ministry.

The reality is, our work safety record is appalling and something had to be done. The catalysts for the change was Pike River. Or should have we just sat on our hands and left things as they were?
Under this new Act directors' and owners can no longer hide themselves behind companies or managers and avoid prosecution or heavy penalties. Unfortunately, because of the "invisibles' " new liability they are pushing an avalanche of silly directives onto CEO's and they in turn are pushing it down the chain. As has been said, its arse covering. I expect that Ryan is caught up in that.

But something had to be done. Some people simply need protecting from themselves, and some need to be protected from harming others'.
The greater majority of accidents are avoidable. Mainly through changed behaviours rather than changing attitudes. A few who have made comments on here are unlikely to change their attitude, but the spectre of the Act over them might change their behaviours.

The current legislation is far from perfect and requires amendments that I think will come, but its sending a wake up call about us having to stop harming people at work. And that's a good thing. Or do you think that the mayhem should be just left to continue?

Originally Posted by Tahr

ACC do not administer the Act nor have a role in enforcing it. WorkSafe have those roles, which is a different Ministry.

The reality is, our work safety record is appalling and something had to be done. The catalysts for the change was Pike River. Or should have we just sat on our hands and left things as they were?
Under this new Act directors' and owners can no longer hide themselves behind companies or managers and avoid prosecution or heavy penalties. Unfortunately, because of the "invisibles' " new liability they are pushing an avalanche of silly directives onto CEO's and they in turn are pushing it down the chain. As has been said, its arse covering. I expect that Ryan is caught up in that.

But something had to be done. Some people simply need protecting from themselves, and some need to be protected from harming others'.
The greater majority of accidents are avoidable. Mainly through changed behaviours rather than changing attitudes. A few who have made comments on here are unlikely to change their attitude, but the spectre of the Act over them might change their behaviours.

The current legislation is far from perfect and requires amendments that I think will come, but its sending a wake up call about us having to stop harming people at work. And that's a good thing. Or do you think that the mayhem should be just left to continue?

What's ironic with the new act is that it generates so much arse covering paperwork you can't be out onsite enough to supervise. Meanwhile petty beaurecrats swamp you with that much fuckin paperwork it's a joke. I spent a while fuckin morning replying to emails filling out investigation forms etc over some fuckin dust that got under a door.
Meanwhile the cocksucker who spin out over a small amount of dust failed to notify security and his own fuckin maintenance dept we had booked a shut down to re route mains cables. I've got no problem investigating why some Muppet almost got 2 sparkies electrocuted . It's not the act it's the fuckwit oxygen thieves administering it.

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Pike rivers interesting as I don't believe they know what happened, there were no mine inspectors doing their job, mangement hell belt on production to keep the dollars rolling and 20 something men who, knowing it was dangerous, kept going down the shaft. My bet would be a contractor cutting corners, same as with any criminal acts everybody suffers?

@Tahr, you mentioned you were a pilot. I'll try to explain how the new act is now being administered. Your flying your plane and heading towards a mountain, everything you do is second guessed , someone else thinks you should do it differently, it gets referred to a committee, you know you need to pull up but before you do you have to read all the passengers SSSP's, have a emergency procedure pre-start meeting, fill out a risk management assessment, do a TA with your copilot and engineer then when you can finally take evasive action some one informs you that a passenger has left the dunny seat up and it needs your immediate attention.
Get the picture.

Originally Posted by Steve123

@Tahr, you mentioned you were a pilot. I'll try to explain how the new act is now being administered. Your flying your plane and heading towards a mountain, everything you do is second guessed , someone else thinks you should do it differently, it gets referred to a committee, you know you need to pull up but before you do you have to read all the passengers SSSP's, have a emergency procedure pre-start meeting, fill out a risk management assessment, do a TA with your copilot and engineer then when you can finally take evasive action some one informs you that a passenger has left the dunny seat up and it needs your immediate attention.
Get the picture.

Nice analogy.
It wasn't me who said I was a pilot.

Originally Posted by Maca49

Pike rivers interesting as I don't believe they know what happened, there were no mine inspectors doing their job, mangement hell belt on production to keep the dollars rolling and 20 something men who, knowing it was dangerous, kept going down the shaft. My bet would be a contractor cutting corners, same as with any criminal acts everybody suffers?

Or management turning a "blind eye" or........................................

I quite liked the start of this thread.... so just so I understand... at the moment I can go to a persons farm to shoot a couple rabbits as long as the farmer tells me any major hazards... but things maybe changing to make it much harder for me to walk around a farm whether I am trying to shoot something or just walk to the top of the hill because its a nice view?

Originally Posted by GMH72

I quite liked the start of this thread.... so just so I understand... at the moment I can go to a persons farm to shoot a couple rabbits as long as the farmer tells me any major hazards... but things maybe changing to make it much harder for me to walk around a farm whether I am trying to shoot something or just walk to the top of the hill because its a nice view?

Pretty much summed the whole thing up.

Originally Posted by mikee

Pretty much summed the whole thing up.

Cool, thanks for the reply.

I used to have a logsplitter that people 'borrowed' and left a $50 note per half day for R and M. That was until someone chopped their thumb off. When he rung and said he couldn't get it back that night because he was on his way to hospital. I told him as far as I was concerned he owned the machine. I figured that would be cheaper than the fines that could potentially come my way.
I rung up Worksafe and all they could do was quote legislation. I told her I could read as well as she could, but what could it cost me if something happened. She said an investigation would give me the answer. Not good enuf for me, so I sold it.
The thought of a huge fine etc would have crippled me. Bloody shame because it was a good earner, and out most if the time, but if the wrong person got caught I would've been stuffed

The fact that under the new act you have to prove your innocence gets me. Or some guys a idiot/menace so you fire him and the prick calls 0800 shyster on you

No matter how well meaning the legislation is, it's impacting simple recreational activities with controls meant for the workplace.

Walking Access Commission are about to put out a new factsheet for landowners simplifying and clarifying for farmers and recreational users tramping, fishing and hunting through or on their land. I've seen a draft and its good.