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Originally Posted by YosemiteSam
Already have, just had a garage signed off by a building inspector, asked him if he was a builder by trade, "O NO, have done a course at a technical institute."
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Originally Posted by YosemiteSam
Already have, just had a garage signed off by a building inspector, asked him if he was a builder by trade, "O NO, have done a course at a technical institute."
oh but @Maca49 to get on the property you would surely be "fully inducted' and then you would need to be stopping all those nasty possums and rabbits from chewing the power cables (you have just tested and tagged) thus preventing a hazard from occurring and then Ryan would be seen to be taking all practicable steps to prevent harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
My feelings, thoughts and experience exactly, the fun has gone from many workplaces, they have become like police states, very sad in many cases!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
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If they're electricians, they wouldn't need to do the course.
It's a 1 day course, not a 1 hour course. I'm guessing you already know that though.
People complain that something costs too much. Yet they want people to not only be qualified and been deemed competent, but to have a minimum number of hours or years of experience. The more requirements you add, the higher the cost will be.
Experience doesn't equate competence.
Qualifications don't equate competence.
This thread is starting to sound like the entrenched moaning about change. Funnily enough, if the entrenched hadn't been so good at killing and injuring themselves and others, the HSWA wouldn't have been introduced.
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Why can't we just rely on Darwins theory of evolution, the stupid that kill themselves heighten the intelligence available therefore less workplace accidents will occur??
Hi all
This was something that has been suggested to us for our contractors to complete before coming on farm - FarmPass | National Safety Register Whether or not it will be adopted more widely by the farming community is an unknown. It is not an insurance policy but any stretch but is a bit of ass covering for the landowner/manager if something does go sideways.
I have been suggesting to our regular hunters (who hunt on other properties as well) that they look into it too as, at the very least, they can then show the certificate to other farmers where they hunt and demonstrate they have some knowledge of their requirements under the new HnS laws when on farm (but again this will depend on uptake i the wider farm community).
Being on the farm management side of the fence I will be curious to know what you all think.
And Farmpass is currently free
@KoshogiQuote:
Originally Posted by Koshogi
Funny thing is now I have handed in my notice I have been informed our Auckland office will be sending one of their technicians down in my last week to "learn as much as possible from me" before I finish!!
Never mind the 2 young guys here has the same bits of paper (Qualifications) as me and the guy they are sending down has supposedly better ones than me........So why are they sending him??
Surely not because of my 25+ years "experience'?? No......... ??
Sadly companies (and modern management) cannot seem to grasp that "bits of paper" do not equal experience nor competence.
Yet HS people who have done all the courses have all the power and no experience, (but then I think you should be able to be a cop till you are at least 30 and have actually had a life of experiences)
In my case this could all have been avoided by addressing the root cause and I would have stayed
I really feel for the farmers who have really been whacked by the whole HS butt covering exercise. God knows its hard enough to find private land to shoot on now.
Soon its going to be impossible.
I'd be sick that last week or off on stress leave! @mikeeQuote:
Originally Posted by mikee
That's why I keep Hot butter, a needle and a porcupines arse in my kit for practice!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by mikee
Yea dont just give away that knowledge, it is your greatest asset (Moobs dont count :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
This health and safety rubbish has gone to far.Its designed to put the costs whether time or money on to small business. And help shut them down.Big companies can absorb the costs easy.Just more corporate grab as far as i'm concerned.Our great country is turning to shit slowly.
No, not moaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koshogi
But I can see how easy it is to mistake opinion based on personal experience as such.
What I'm saying is this flying by the seat of your pants in the electrical compliance world is not on. If it's that serious that we need to test and tag appliances on a regular basis then we need a bloody sight more than some ding a ling with no electrical experience, doing a one day course being deemed good enough.
I also think that being able to do you own compliance shoul be banned! I know of companies not testing but putting compliance tags on gear.
Also be aware of the personal fines if you get it wrong and yes it will be personal, you can't hide just because you are employed by the company your tagging for.
Yep I agree but blunt instruments and to much cotton wool long term won't work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Koshogi
White hat, ear muffs, hi vis, safety boots, eye protection, a pen and clipboard?:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
Agreed, totally, depending on your employer your may be "signing off" under duress / fear which may be the lesser of 2 evils until there is a whoopsie and the employer dishes you up to the HS people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Interestingly am the only EST where I work who also holds a practicing license @Maca49 ; and yet no one has twigged to that small fact, cant be important eh.
Because unfortunately the Darwin failures are often the ones that kill the others rather than themselves :(Quote:
Originally Posted by 223nut
yep, my experience too. Generally stupid people are still clever enough to survive at all costs and its others who bear the brunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barefoot
@Ryan_Songhurst How do you get on when your friends or Forum Members (like me) who might decide to pop in un-announced if we are going past on way to Ch-Ch
H&S has been taken over by the bureaucrat fucktards. .The corporate sector got rid of a lot of the cunts when the GFC hit, the government was also axing jobs for the self important fuckheads. Along came a directive for ACC to maximize profits and wham the bureaucrats had found another home. H&S is now a parasitic organism that will consume it's host.Quote:
Originally Posted by H&K MAN
ACC do not administer the Act nor have a role in enforcing it. WorkSafe have those roles, which is a different Ministry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
The reality is, our work safety record is appalling and something had to be done. The catalysts for the change was Pike River. Or should have we just sat on our hands and left things as they were?
Under this new Act directors' and owners can no longer hide themselves behind companies or managers and avoid prosecution or heavy penalties. Unfortunately, because of the "invisibles' " new liability they are pushing an avalanche of silly directives onto CEO's and they in turn are pushing it down the chain. As has been said, its arse covering. I expect that Ryan is caught up in that.
But something had to be done. Some people simply need protecting from themselves, and some need to be protected from harming others'.
The greater majority of accidents are avoidable. Mainly through changed behaviours rather than changing attitudes. A few who have made comments on here are unlikely to change their attitude, but the spectre of the Act over them might change their behaviours.
The current legislation is far from perfect and requires amendments that I think will come, but its sending a wake up call about us having to stop harming people at work. And that's a good thing. Or do you think that the mayhem should be just left to continue?
What's ironic with the new act is that it generates so much arse covering paperwork you can't be out onsite enough to supervise. Meanwhile petty beaurecrats swamp you with that much fuckin paperwork it's a joke. I spent a while fuckin morning replying to emails filling out investigation forms etc over some fuckin dust that got under a door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Meanwhile the cocksucker who spin out over a small amount of dust failed to notify security and his own fuckin maintenance dept we had booked a shut down to re route mains cables. I've got no problem investigating why some Muppet almost got 2 sparkies electrocuted . It's not the act it's the fuckwit oxygen thieves administering it.
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Pike rivers interesting as I don't believe they know what happened, there were no mine inspectors doing their job, mangement hell belt on production to keep the dollars rolling and 20 something men who, knowing it was dangerous, kept going down the shaft. My bet would be a contractor cutting corners, same as with any criminal acts everybody suffers?
@Tahr, you mentioned you were a pilot. I'll try to explain how the new act is now being administered. Your flying your plane and heading towards a mountain, everything you do is second guessed , someone else thinks you should do it differently, it gets referred to a committee, you know you need to pull up but before you do you have to read all the passengers SSSP's, have a emergency procedure pre-start meeting, fill out a risk management assessment, do a TA with your copilot and engineer then when you can finally take evasive action some one informs you that a passenger has left the dunny seat up and it needs your immediate attention.
Get the picture.
Nice analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
It wasn't me who said I was a pilot.
Or management turning a "blind eye" or........................................Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
I quite liked the start of this thread.... so just so I understand... at the moment I can go to a persons farm to shoot a couple rabbits as long as the farmer tells me any major hazards... but things maybe changing to make it much harder for me to walk around a farm whether I am trying to shoot something or just walk to the top of the hill because its a nice view?
Pretty much summed the whole thing up.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMH72
Cool, thanks for the reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
I used to have a logsplitter that people 'borrowed' and left a $50 note per half day for R and M. That was until someone chopped their thumb off. When he rung and said he couldn't get it back that night because he was on his way to hospital. I told him as far as I was concerned he owned the machine. I figured that would be cheaper than the fines that could potentially come my way.
I rung up Worksafe and all they could do was quote legislation. I told her I could read as well as she could, but what could it cost me if something happened. She said an investigation would give me the answer. Not good enuf for me, so I sold it.
The thought of a huge fine etc would have crippled me. Bloody shame because it was a good earner, and out most if the time, but if the wrong person got caught I would've been stuffed
The fact that under the new act you have to prove your innocence gets me. Or some guys a idiot/menace so you fire him and the prick calls 0800 shyster on you
No matter how well meaning the legislation is, it's impacting simple recreational activities with controls meant for the workplace.
Walking Access Commission are about to put out a new factsheet for landowners simplifying and clarifying for farmers and recreational users tramping, fishing and hunting through or on their land. I've seen a draft and its good.
Gotta be a man from the council inspecting something!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Because there's a lot of Doc controlled hunting blocks you can't access without crossing private property.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottrods
I've enjoyed reading this over breakfast....
Some pretty far fetched ideas of what's going on.
We have hunters on the block basically everyday.
Listen to what the cocky says.
Sign the paper job done.
Those of you coming to Tobys shoot will have to sign the same bit of paper job done.
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Fuck me can you send me a copy of said paper in advance? I'll get my lawyer to check it over! It better not include sex!:O_O: ahh some sanity!
It is great you dont have a problem with it Brads but unfortunately a number of farmers will just go ah fuck it its too hard nobody is allowed on the property job done.
