Thread: World Record Red Deer!!!!......according to an American

Originally Posted by Haggie

What if someone just owns a large parcel of land and only lets his mates/family hunt on it but at no cost (just doesnt want people all over their shit) and has some untouched (in the last few generations at least) animals roving around? youd have to consider those free range

Hi Haggie, what constitutes 'large' in 'large parcel of land'?.....if the land owner leaves a certain stag he 'owns' that has symmetrical antlers, he then leaves it
to age long enough to grow 'royals' then shoots it and proclaims 'Free range Douglas score NZ record'....i would laugh in his face and say hes full of shit.....

Thats what this discussion is about, take away these misleading terms of 'free range & wild deer'....has the trophy stag in question been left alone for a long enough period to become a world class trophy, because they rarely exist on DOC land

they have (the majority) been shot out in consecutive years during 'Roars'....all these monster stags you see in hunting magazines with a smiling grey haired yank are on 'private property'..........just like the lady in question......again just my 2c

Originally Posted by Scouser

Hi Haggie, what constitutes 'large' in 'large parcel of land'?.....if the land owner leaves a certain stag he 'owns' that has symmetrical antlers, he then leaves it
to age long enough to grow 'royals' then shoots it and proclaims 'Free range Douglas score NZ record'....i would laugh in his face and say hes full of shit.....
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You no the only reason big stags are shot on doc land is cause some good bugger has likely seen him the yeat before and decided to leqve him. By your definition that means he's no longer free range cause its had influence

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

You no the only reason big stags are shot on doc land is cause some good bugger has likely seen him the yeat before and decided to leqve him. By your definition that means he's no longer free range cause its had influence

Hmmm.......I think you twisting my words a bit here...........'By your definition that means he's no longer free range'..............there is no guarantee that the 'good bugger' will 'bag him' next year when he has a better rack because he is on DOC land, free for all to shoot any time of the year......

on private land he is kept aside, till the guy/gal with the big wallet comes along....that is what i am trying to get across, i dont care how big /small the station/property is, he has been SELECTED for a special purpose....a 'trophy head'....and more importantly 'CASH'

Originally Posted by Scouser

Hmmm.......I think you twisting my words a bit here...........'By your definition that means he's no longer free range'..............there is no guarantee that the 'good bugger' will 'bag him' next year when he has a better rack because he is on DOC land, free for all to shoot any time of the year......

on private land he is kept aside, till the guy/gal with the big wallet comes along....that is what i am trying to get across, i dont care how big /small the station/property is, he has been SELECTED for a special purpose....a 'trophy head'....and more importantly 'CASH'

Agree to disagree.

Im not talking about anybody paying any money or any game preserve. Im talking about joe bloggs going over to his mates sheep farm and bagging a cracker stag on the edge of a doc block. Just so happens the stag walked 100m onto the private side....
Still not free range enough?

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

Agree to disagree.

Im not talking about anybody paying any money or any game preserve. Im talking about joe bloggs going over to his mates sheep farm and bagging a cracker stag on the edge of a doc block. Just so happens the stag walked 100m onto the private side....
Still not free range enough?

I would consider that free range because of the circumstances you have explained, the animal in question was 'born' in the wild on DOC land and just happened to be shot on 'private land'....i think were getting away from the jist of this thread

Which is....drum roll please......Do the forum members consider a 'Douglas, SCI or any other organisation Trophy head, as a real, free range (as in ANYBODY can shoot it, not paying clients) Stag.....thats the simple question, although as we have all
seen there are many ways of looking at it....i think by now my position on this subject is well known & clear...if theres a vote and im in the minority, so be it, just want to sound out the members for their honest opinion, cheers

Originally Posted by Scouser

Hmmm.......I think you twisting my words a bit here...........'By your definition that means he's no longer free range'..............there is no guarantee that the 'good bugger' will 'bag him' next year when he has a better rack because he is on DOC land, free for all to shoot any time of the year......

on private land he is kept aside, till the guy/gal with the big wallet comes along....that is what i am trying to get across, i dont care how big /small the station/property is, he has been SELECTED for a special purpose....a 'trophy head'....and more importantly 'CASH'

I got a big fat pile of CASH for my big fat two year old Private Block beefies the other day. The one I kept was shot through the fence ..
They too were selected for a purpose !!

What's the difference between that and the above.. These had no hope in hell of getting away.. The deer on private blocks surely don't just walk up and say shoot me ??
Its what we all do in one form or another. Spend your money your way.. Others will do the same. Who cares you just need to be able to look yourself in the mirror and be sure if you choose to go to private blocks you act with respect and no wastage,,

Originally Posted by Happy

I got a big fat pile of CASH for my big fat two year old Private Block beefies the other day. The one I kept was shot through the fence ..
They too were selected for a purpose !!

What's the difference between that and the above.. These had no hope in hell of getting away.. The deer on private blocks surely don't just walk up and say shoot me ??
Its what we all do in one form or another. Spend your money your way.. Others will do the same. Who cares you just need to be able to look yourself in the mirror and be sure if you choose to go to private blocks you act with respect and no wastage,,

Hi Happy, i have no 'beef' (pardon the pun) with what you've done.....but your not going public with your photo next to the beast with 'World SCI free range record' above your smiling dial....the lady in question (and that is what this thread is all about) IS.......