Would you consider this ethical

I have been curiously looking through the uk deer stalking training programme (dsc1) and came accross the following
advice dished out for suitable time to wait after shooting a deer.

Immediately load another round, apply the safety catch and then wait. You should learn to recognise the behaviour of deer, shot in different parts of the body, as this will dictate how long you should wait before following up. Whatever the circumstances, wait at least five minutes.

Practicality aside, 5 minutes seems like a long time to wait before administering a coup de gras shot.

I think it's to stop the animal getting pumped with adrenalin and going for another run. Just let it run off as calm as possible.

Don't need to wait if you blow it's brains out :)

The five minute rule is for the .243 and 6.5's, to give them a chance to die...with any decent calibre you just walk up and start gutting

Except if you shoot them at 1.5ks, then it takes you the rest of the day to reach the body!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Maca49

Except if you shoot them at 1.5ks, then it takes you the rest of the day to reach the body!:thumbsup:

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So how long does it take you to make that 4K walk in the mornings Maca?

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Originally Posted by Spook

The five minute rule is for the .243 and 6.5's, to give them a chance to die...with any decent calibre you just walk up and start gutting

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Yes, If you had shot it with alegendry 7mm08 then the you would have killed it, it would have skinned and gutted itself and carried itself all the way back to your transport.

Mikee - I see you are from Nelson. As the 7mm-08 caliber is a Ponsonby Latte sippers pill, would you please kindly return your firearm and all associated ammunition and reloading equipment back to it's rightful place

Sure you will find Pengy, that if the shot is not a bang flop and takes off through the bush, it is best to wait 5-10min (which seems more like 2hrs) as Toby said. This will let the animal settle down and a better chance to recover. Easier to follow the blood trail of a slow moving deer. Chasing after it will only push it further away.

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Originally Posted by mikee

Yes, If you had shot it with alegendry 7mm08 then the you would have killed it, it would have skinned and gutted itself and carried itself all the way back to your transport.

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Then made you a latté and a sandwich straight after packing it self into freezer bags :thumbsup:

Of course if a good shooter hit it with .243 it d drop like a sack of shit never to rise again ... :burnt: :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by sako75

Mikee - I see you are from Nelson. As the 7mm-08 caliber is a Ponsonby Latte sippers pill, would you please kindly return your firearm and all associated ammunition and reloading equipment back to it's rightful place

Sure you will find Pengy, that if the shot is not a bang flop and takes off through the bush, it is best to wait 5-10min (which seems more like 2hrs) as Toby said. This will let the animal settle down and a better chance to recover. Easier to follow the blood trail of a slow moving deer. Chasing after it will only push it further away.

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No problem with that, Don't own one nor have any ammo for one, in fact would not be caught dead with one. But then I consdier any trip to the North Island and overseas trip and coffee comes in powder in tins or jars!!!

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Originally Posted by mikee

Yes, If you had shot it with alegendry 7mm08 then the you would have killed it, it would have skinned and gutted itself and carried itself all the way back to your transport.

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Anyone with a 7mm08 will have a mate drooling along behind only too happy to do the carrying...easily recognizable by the ipod wires hanging from his head.

It just seems a bit strange to me in these "enlightened " days to advocate that you shoot an animal and then sit down and have a smoke before making sure it is dead. If you applied the same rule to the Abbatoir, I think we all know what would happen.
I would have thought this is just fuel to the antis.

"If you applied the same rule to the Abbatoir, I think we all know what would happen" :) I have never been in an abattoir however I'm sure when the unions held all the power that it would have been tools down at 10am, 2pm and 3pm without exception.

I hear what you are saying Pengy which is why I believe in 1 shot kills and have a pretty good record. Things don't always go to plan. When a deer is shot they don't know what it is. Unlike most humans who say "oh fuck, I've been shot" and lie down. Deer will take the path of least resistance and depart rapidly for a short distance.
I have seen a friend shoot the jaw off a hind. He was beside himself and still is to this day. We tracked that deer for quite some time. We would get close and then hear it moving through the bush and subsequently would find the pool of blood where it had been. We never caught up with it and the deer would most likely have starved to death.
A stag I shot from 15m bolted and stopped 30m away right in sight of my brother who put a hole 1" from where mine was (proof we are related) After cutting it up, and seeing the lung damage, it was already dead on it's feet. Had the deer seen my brother, it would have bolted again of the side possibly not to be found and a waste of a deer.

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Originally Posted by Spook

The five minute rule is for the .243 and 6.5's, to give them a chance to die...with any decent calibre you just walk up and start gutting

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You have to gut them?


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Originally Posted by sako75

Mikee - I see you are from Nelson. As the 7mm-08 caliber is a Ponsonby Latte sippers pill, would you please kindly return your firearm and all associated ammunition and reloading equipment back to it's rightful place

Sure you will find Pengy, that if the shot is not a bang flop and takes off through the bush, it is best to wait 5-10min (which seems more like 2hrs) as Toby said. This will let the animal settle down and a better chance to recover. Easier to follow the blood trail of a slow moving deer. Chasing after it will only push it further away.

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Bullshit. My 7mm08 kills plenty of stuff dead. Oh and its a Tikka T3;)

I'd wait longer than that if I knew I gut shot it and it ran off. If I knew I gut shot it and I had a chance at a follow up I'd take it right away, I hate seeing an animal suffer, I always want to kill it as quick as possible. I guess it all comes down to circumstance; use your head and keep the quickest death possible your objective.

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Another favourable aspect to the bang n wait for 5 school is that occasionally you will get the second animal coming over to check on her or his dead mate. It's worked for me........

Am suprised no one has thought about the fack it tells you to sit and wait with a bullet in the spout and the safety on????? It does not take long to simply chamber a round when needed! Some one who is pumped that they just shot a deer can easily forget about the gun and the fact that it is loaded

Its standard practice in Africa, basically the animal doesn't know what has happened or where it has come from so they depart hastily for the nearest cover, the idea is that you let the adrenalin wear off, the wound stiffen and possibly die before following up. Immediately chasing after it can result in the running of for miles and possibly never being recovered.
This is particularly relevant when hunting something that can kill you!

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Originally Posted by Spook

The five minute rule is for the .243 and 6.5's , to give them a chance to die...with any decent calibre you just walk up and start gutting

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Say what?

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Originally Posted by Toby

Say what?

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Hook line and sinker Spook.

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Originally Posted by Rushy

Hook line and sinker Spook.

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That must have been his shortest post ever, gobsmacked, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Spook

That must have been his shortest post ever, gobsmacked, I guess.

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Someone needed to do it to him Spook. It may as well have been you.

I had the idea that this wait 5 minutes rule was to give the animal enough time to weaken threw blood loss to where it just wants to lay down & rest .After initial impact shock is over.
I don't have this problem with .308 they normally don't even twitch when the hit the deck .
Lesser calibers it may be a concern .But I prefer to take a humane approach to my hunting .

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Originally Posted by Rushy

So how long does it take you to make that 4K walk in the mornings Maca?

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about half hour, but I've seen where Spook shoots:wtfsmilie:

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Originally Posted by Spook

The five minute rule is for the .243 and 6.5's, to give them a chance to die...with any decent calibre you just walk up and start gutting

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Now I know you are trolling.

How's the fishn Timmay got a week in Taupo next week:cool:

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Originally Posted by Maca49

How's the fishn Timmay got a week in Taupo next week:cool:

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It's going real good. Pm me if you want a few spots to check out in a boat... (north east side)

If I shoot a deer, goat or what ever, I usually walk straight up to it, depending on how far away it was when I shot it, and where I shot it in the body / head etc.
Most of the time I reload straight away, instinct I guess.
They don't go far with a 308...lol and the dog will find it if I can't.
Plus I never use the safety.

Same rule applies for bow hunting, so I can understand the reasoning behind a shoot and sit approach. I've been fortunate enough to have all my deer drop on the spot or walk only 15m and come to a rest.

Ive waited a couple of time's due to the fact that ive been in an area were if it did get up I would be able to not only shoot it again but see what direction it fucked of to if the second shot missed ,it shouldn't be an ego thing as ive seen animals shot and run never to return from 223's right up to 338's;).so I think it is fair to the animal and yourself to check your ego at the door and put another round up the spout no matter what cal when your in a position were your futher away than a hundred yards or have some tight scrub and gullys between you just my two cents.

Absolutely, reload immediately, heard of plenty of cases where the hunter has been admiring his shot, when the animal got up and fucked off he wasn't ready to put another one in it.

I think people are also trying to apply the wait 5 minute rule to every situation, it mainly applies where the animal has been hit and run off into cover/over the ridge etc. Obviously if you can still see it and it looks like it is getting up shoot the fuckin' thing again! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Spudattack

Obviously if you can still see it and it looks like it is getting up shoot the fuckin' thing again! :thumbsup:

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Absolutely!