Thread: WTF. B FA LEFT SOON.

Just found this on FB deer stalking group.. Is this for real? NZ has been taken over by a green dictatorship with no brains or brakes. Anybody know what is happening if this is correct.?

The green party is an introduced species.

Not good.

Hmm - I feel some OIA requests coming on, this needs smoking out . . . .

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6. The Department is working with Ngati Porou and Te Whanau a Apanui to co-design
the project in the Raukumara.

7. Given that the distribution of deer and their impacts are not uniform across the country,
a multi-tiered regional based approach working with iwi, landowners, local recreational
hunters and the commercial deer industries such as wild animal recovery operators
and hunting guides will be required.
This allows each plan to be developed for the particular circumstances of each region
and identify the resources to deliver the outcomes required ecologically, culturally and
socially at that place.

8. There are two main themes for consideration which will likely require different
approaches in developing the plans forward;

a) The front country The build-up of wild deer herds on farm/forest margins in
lowlands and front country around bush remnants, covenants and reserves has
been consistently identified as a key issue. Landlocked small reserves and
private forest remnants are considered to have become safe havens for deer
breeding, with ready access to adjacent pasture.
Developing plans for these areas will require a collaborative approach with
Treaty Partners, landowners, regional councils and other stakeholders.
Access for hunters into many of these areas has often been identified as a key
issue to work upon in Stage 2 of the project.

b) The back country On public conservation land in the large forest and national
parks, monitoring of both deer populations and their ecosystem impacts has not
been prioritised in recent years. This absence of data on population trends, size
and ecological impacts reduces the quality of discussions between stakeholders,
and hampers good decision making around solutions in our large National and
Forest Parks in many parts of the country.
Developing cost-effective techniques to assess changes in ungulate abundance
and ecosystem health will be a priority for stage two of the project.
Developing plans for the backcountry areas in each region would be undertaken
with our Treaty Partners and in collaboration with other stakeholders.

9. The Department has no plans to fence small pockets of bush as a solution to the deer
concerns currently identified as that approach would prove costly and ineffective in
achieving any lasting outcomes.

10. A report of the findings will be made available at the end of June and this will form the
basis for the next stage of the project to develop the preferred response. Establishing
the preferred approach is due to be completed by the end of the year.
Section 4 Conservation Act

11. This issue is important to iwi. Their perspectives cover the full spectrum of the
positives and negative values of deer. It will be important to work with each Treaty
Partner to develop specific plans for their rohe or takiwā.
Conclusion

12. We are looking for solutions that will materially improve how deer are managed in the
New Zealand landscape to achieve better ecological, cultural, recreational and
economic outcomes.

13. Front country and backcountry will require different approaches to developing plans in
Stage 2 of the project.

14. The Raukumara project will be a valuable pilot for co-designing large scale forest
restoration projects with Treaty Partners.

15. This work is critical in improving ecosystems and preventing the deer from expanding
into areas such as Northland that remains free of wild deer.


https://ftp.doc.govt.nz/public/folde...lic-papers.pdf
Thanks @cambo for the link in the other thread.

The current minister is hopefully gone in a few weeks, but that probably won't stop this.
IF there is actually an increase in abundance, not letting us hunt in the first round of level 3 didn't help, and is their fault

"The department has no plans" usually means they have already paid the guy who is going to do the work... In my experience.

I'll clean out the Raukumaras for $40,000,000.
I just need a cash advance of $10,000,000 to get started. any other bidders.

The perfect solution to deer overabundance?

Semi-automatic rifles!

If all the things the gubbermint should be spending our money on now , I struggle to see how this even gets a mention

#11 YOU FELLAS MISSING THE POINT HERE......ALL partners..that means what it says...it wasnt just fellas with brown bums who signed the treaty it was a treaty for ALL K1K1s so any approach that just listens to brown bums is rascist plain and simple and needs to be called out as such.

If true its hardly surprising.

What's surprising is the fact that hunters never effectively pre empted such plan by lobbying for a management plan that's favourable to us.

We have the tahr plan which they religiously use a crutch. Maybe stronger protections under the last national govt would have been a good idea.

An alternative view... Not looking to upset any of you... But...

Maybe some of you fellas haven’t been hanging around the front country in the Central North Island much recently?

If you have, and you are connected in any way to the rural folk that farm here, then you would know that the deer numbers are a massive problem. Red deer in particular are totally out of control and have far too many small forest blocks in which to hide, landlocked by private land. Hence access to recreational hunters is only possible on a relationship-with-farmer basis.

i.e. These small reserves don’t appear on any DOC maps for a hunting permit as you need an access agreement with the private landowners that surround it.

I’ve sat on top of a local high point and watched the chopper bombing the bush about 1,500m away with 1080. November 2017. Didn’t make the blindest bit of difference to deer numbers in that area. String me up or stretch me on the rack, just saying it like it is. Didn’t touch the pigs either.

There’s fuck all possums though.

I have five or six properties that I visit regularly, a couple several times a year, the others probably once a year. Honestly these days I can’t really call myself a hunter. All I need to do is move my creaking middle-aged body a relatively short distance from my Hilux or quad to a half decent spot the glass from, and I’ll see deer. At all times of the day. It’s gotten so easy that I’ve started to completely change my method of targeting deer to try and get more out of it on a personal level.

This is not good. It is the kind of blatant in your face ungulate proliferation that causes big problems for our primary producers and the health of our forests. I challenge you to go into these smaller native blocks and walk around under the canopy and see for yourselves. There is absolutely diddly squat palatable vegetation left within reach of a mature red deer standing up on its rear legs.

In the document that was posted there is reference to making it easier for hunters to access private land, and these landlocked DOC owned reserves that have no public access. This is the key. And I’m telling you shiny bum city types that really you just need to get out more. Drive a sensible vehicle, wear sensible clothes, be polite and open-minded, ask the right questions. Try and know a little bit about what these guys do and the challenges they face. You will be amazed what opportunities will open up for you, if you put in the hard yards. I know half a dozen cockies with big farms, four with multiple properties in a particular area, who rely upon visiting hunters to do their deer control for them as they either have no interest, or no time. There was a comment on another thread a couple of days ago that farmers are charging for this kind of hunting. Maybe on some properties that is true, especially where the farmer has put money into hunter accommodation and so on, e.g. Riversdale. But in the kind of areas that I go, I’ve never been asked for a single cent contribution, the understanding is that it is my time, my ammunition, my deer to take home with me. But there is a really important aspect to this that you need to remember.

Have something that you can give back. Like if there is a hut for you to stay in, then make a trip there specifically to do some hut maintenance. Rehang some gates. Straighten and re-fix some batons - like not two dozen of them but a whole day’s worth of basic fence maintenance. Take a bag of wire tensioners and staples and an EeziPull and fix up a couple of long run slack fences. Cut some firewood, some scrub, especially around access points or buildings and places where it’s really obvious and appreciated. Not long ago, I dug out the dog shit from under a 12 dog kennel - about 15 years worth I reckon - pressure washed the kennels, rodent proofed the dog food shed, set 10 drainpipe style bait stations, installed simple solar powered LED strip lighting for feeding the dogs at night in winter, and built two wool insulated timber kennels for young pig dogs. Two easy days of work for free come-as-you-are deer hunting.

Anyway, I’ve gotten a bit off topic but the point is that there are way too many deer out there, but you all have more opportunities to get some of them if you know how. And I encourage you to do just that. Whinging about deer control from a distance is in my view completely missing the point. Especially all the way from WA. No offence intended mate.

This isn’t a political issue, yet you fellas are intent on turning it into one.

The majority of the farmers want deer numbers reduced. I’d say the significant majority of them don’t vote for Labour, and definitely not the Greens.

Go out, ask them, talk about it with the people that count, not disaffected internet buddies.

There will always be deer out there.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

This isn’t a political issue, yet you fellas are intent on turning it into one.

The majority of the farmers want deer numbers reduced. I’d say the significant majority of them don’t vote for Labour, and definitely not the Greens.

Go out, ask them, talk about it with the people that count, not disaffected internet buddies.

There will always be deer out there.

Always, is a long long time.