10/22 trigger job & recommendations please

Hi All,
Going to be doing a trigger job on a 10/22 I bought recently. Currently it has the factory 7lb or something silly in it. You cant squeeze it, you have to pull it, bloody horrible.

Looking to get it swapped out, there seems to be many options.

I put a Timney trigger in my Ruger hmr, made the world of difference, and it was cheap to do (about $100). Looking at Timney for the 10/22 seems to cost a wheelbarrow fill of cash to buy but is it worth it? Or is the BX just as good (apart from its plastic). Or are there other options?

Thoughts, ideas, discussion greatly appreciated
Cheers

The BX version is not too badly priced and makes it far more usable.


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plastic housing with stainless sear or alloy housing with blued ?
both are capable of being done at home, i can show you how or do it here. alternatively zac at nth canty gunsmiths does a nice job

I started a thread on the 10/22 a while back and there were lots of good ideas put up there by forum members.

Search: Ruger10/22 - tricks, tips and modifications

Dropped a Timney into mine and it is good

In hindsight I should have got the mag release thingy that sticks out as it is easier to use rather than stuffing your fingers into what feels like the local town whore in a bad mood

Not that I'd know

The BX is definitely OK for a hunting trigger.
The Jard is better but wont fit a trigger grip stock.
Have't used a Timney.
Kidd are amazing, better than most 22 bolt action triggers (that I have tried).

BX - $200
Jard - $350
Timney - $450
Kidd - $525

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Dropped a Timney into mine and it is good

In hindsight I should have got the mag release thingy that sticks out as it is easier to use rather than stuffing your fingers into what feels like the local town whore in a bad mood

Not that I'd know

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My concern about the extended mag release lever is that if you have a sling on your rifle and have your rifle on your shoulder, and the lever hits your belt bag or other item, it might release the mag - and you wouldnt necessarily notice it until you go to use it, and hey, no mag, it fell out somewhere on your walk.

Now, I dont know if thats actually possible, but I have had my mag released on my hmr the same way with the standard release lever, so am cautious of it.

If I was to get a timney, I hope there is a choice not to have that extended lever. Plus I would prefer it to remain looking standard.

Thanks for your info.

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Originally Posted by planenutz

I started a thread on the 10/22 a while back and there were lots of good ideas put up there by forum members.

Search: Ruger10/22 - tricks, tips and modifications

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ohhh, thanks heaps, I will definitely look that up.

Cheers for your info.

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Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

The BX is definitely OK for a hunting trigger.
The Jard is better but wont fit a trigger grip stock.
Have't used a Timney.
Kidd are amazing, better than most 22 bolt action triggers (that I have tried).

BX - $200
Jard - $350
Timney - $450
Kidd - $525

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Cheers for the info and prices, havent heard of a Kidd trigger, but based on the price they might be more for competitive shooting, and a bit over the top for my needs.

Vids on youtube show how to do the home jobby on the factory setup

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

plastic housing with stainless sear or alloy housing with blued ?
both are capable of being done at home, i can show you how or do it here. alternatively zac at nth canty gunsmiths does a nice job

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Cheers, will check them out.

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Vids on youtube show how to do the home jobby on the factory setup

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Yeah, I watched a few of those, looks pretty easy if you have the tools. I could probably rustle up a hammer and screwdriver, but dont even have a punch. And if its in bits that far, might as well strip it right down and clean it.
Cheers for that.

I have put a Jard into a few 10/22’s. They trip at about one and a half pounds.

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Yeah, I watched a few of those, looks pretty easy if you have the tools. I could probably rustle up a hammer and screwdriver, but dont even have a punch. And if its in bits that far, might as well strip it right down and clean it.
Cheers for that.

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you dont need a punch or hammer, a screwdriver, fine stone and sandpaper. it takes awhile the first time but the standard trigger can be done fine

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

My concern about the extended mag release lever is that if you have a sling on your rifle and have your rifle on your shoulder, and the lever hits your belt bag or other item, it might release the mag - and you wouldnt necessarily notice it until you go to use it, and hey, no mag, it fell out somewhere on your walk.

Now, I dont know if thats actually possible, but I have had my mag released on my hmr the same way with the standard release lever, so am cautious of it.

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Yep, exactly that can happen. I had my son drop a magazine out on a bunny hunt once when he was resting the rifle out the vehicle window. The extended mag release was bumped and it wasn't noticed until he went to pull the trigger a while later. Very frustrating. I replaced the mag release with an after market version but that can be activated with the sling very easily. Its occurred many times. I've been thinking of going back to an original flush release.

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

Cheers for the info and prices, havent heard of a Kidd trigger, but based on the price they might be more for competitive shooting, and a bit over the top for my needs.

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Depends at what weight you set them at but incredibly crisp and predictable. They do single and two stage triggers.

if you are a little bit engineering minded a couple of diamond files and a bit of wet and dry and you can get the trigger nice as . ive done about 10 so far .not as good as a kidd but for the price massively better than stock

I thought about improving the trigger on my old 10/22 for 30 years but never got around to it, then one day put it into a second hand choate dragunov stock, the difference that just changing the stock made was incredible. Technically it must still be the same, but feels so different it's like a whole new trigger, must better for fast shots at moving targets.

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Originally Posted by planenutz

Yep, exactly that can happen. I had my son drop a magazine out on a bunny hunt once when he was resting the rifle out the vehicle window. The extended mag release was bumped and it wasn't noticed until he went to pull the trigger a while later. Very frustrating. I replaced the mag release with an after market version but that can be activated with the sling very easily. Its occurred many times. I've been thinking of going back to an original flush release.

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Ah, thank you for that, so my concerns are justified. The lever that is on it already does a good job, mag just drops straight out, no fiddly sticking fingers anywhere. From what I can gather, the older rugers were a "flush" lever, newer ones tend to have a longer lever hanging down - I might be wrong.

Cheers for the info.

So has anyone worked on a BX trigger to improve it - I have fitted them on 2 10/22s and they’re a step up but still way short of ideal?

It is kidd or nothing. That simple.

Don't waste your money on anything else (rail, mag release, buffer, trigger bits, stock)before you get a kidd trigger.

So no one has mentioned a Volquartsen one yet, is there a reason?

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

So no one has mentioned a Volquartsen one yet, is there a reason?

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The ruger design is inherently limiting. VQ simply makes the same thing but more precise , cost the same as KIDD. KIDD is an entirely different, and far better design. So why spend the money getting something that is inherently inferior?

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Originally Posted by Ultimitsu

The ruger design is inherently limiting. VQ simply makes the same thing but more precise , cost the same as KIDD. KIDD is an entirely different, and far better design. So why spend the money getting something that is inherently inferior?

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Cheers for that.

So you're saying why spend the money on a ruger because it is inherently inferior? Inferior compared to what?

Or are you talking about just the trigger.

Also in what way is the KIDD trigger different (what part(s) are designed better)?

Thanks for your time, info, and knowledge it is greatly appreciated.

I can’t find a stockist of the Kidd triggers ?wheres everyone sourcing them?

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

Cheers for that.

So you're saying why spend the money on a ruger because it is inherently inferior? Inferior compared to what?

Or are you talking about just the trigger.

Also in what way is the KIDD trigger different (what part(s) are designed better)?

Thanks for your time, info, and knowledge it is greatly appreciated.

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The Ruger design is inferior compared to Kidd.

As to what is different in the design. It is like this. The 10/22 trigger mechanism is inside a box. Ruger designed one set of internals and placed it into that box. KIDD made a different design from the ground up, placed its design into a box of the same dimensions. it is two stage and it can make huge amount of adjustment. can be set to 3 ounce / 3 ounce.

This is Ruger
Attachment 157924

This is Kidd

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forum...d.php?t=983537

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

Ah, thank you for that, so my concerns are justified. The lever that is on it already does a good job, mag just drops straight out, no fiddly sticking fingers anywhere. From what I can gather, the older rugers were a "flush" lever, newer ones tend to have a longer lever hanging down - I might be wrong.

Cheers for the info.

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One of my 10/22 has the extended mag release. After about five minutes actually using the rifle I popped home and sawed it off with a hacksaw. Tidied up with a file.

You will lose your magazine.

Get it done by a Confident gunsmith
Only cost arround $80-100 depending who you use

Most good trigger jobs are as good if not better than a bx trigger

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Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Get it done by a Confident gunsmith
Only cost arround $80-100 depending who you use

Most good trigger jobs are as good if not better than a bx trigger

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What he says

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Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Get it done by a Confident gunsmith
Only cost arround $80-100 depending who you use

Most good trigger jobs are as good if not better than a bx trigger

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In saying that I have a $600 2 stage kidd on my rifle
Oh and a kidd barrel bolt recever the works
Only part that isn’t kidd is the magazines lol

That being said a $3k (includeing rings and scope) is not required for the average shooter or even me these days
I don’t comp shoot anymore
It’s awsome for shooting tiny groups on the range it will Compete with any high end bolt gun on the market
And has an accuracy guarantee of sub moa at 50m
From my experience it will surpass that without trying

But you don’t need that for hunting a factory 10/22 with a half decent trigger is all you need to 100m for small game/pests whatever you call it

When my uncle got his Fal I spent his money for him and got him a 2nd hand houge stanless 10/22 off a mate completely factory but my mate had the trigger worked by a gunsmith i sighted it in for him
It was Amazingly accurate (for a factory 10-22) and has shot more possums rabbits and turkeys than id like to imagine

The worked trigger makes that rifle what it is a solid hunting rig

I do not usually advocate a full Kidd gun for most people. Having said that, if you have the money, you should get it. No one I know has ever regretted getting a full Kidd gun. I only know people who regretted selling their Kidd gun. It really is the pinnacle of semi auto 22LR in the whole world.

For the purpose of this thread, I am advocating getting just the Kidd 2 stage trigger. For the average shooting hobbyist, $500 on a Ruger 10/22 and 600 on a Kidd 2stage will not break the bank, but it will give you a gun that is super pleasant to shoot and acceptable accuracy (unless you got a dud barrel, which can happen). You just cannot get a semi-auto that is as pleasant for $1100~1200.

Great info and reading, really enjoying the input here.

When you think of a $500 rifle and then spending more than that on just the trigger, it doesnt sound worth it, but when you reflect and say that you cant get a decent semi for under $1100-1200, you are right, and it suddenly makes sense.

And it is one I want to keep it is worth spending a little on it, all I need to do know is find somewhere who has them for sale. :P

@Mr Browning @The bomb

USA Guns Ltd

Kidd triggers etc

Looks like he's sold out of single stage triggers again but has 2 stage still in stock.

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

Great info and reading, really enjoying the input here.

When you think of a $500 rifle and then spending more than that on just the trigger, it doesnt sound worth it, but when you reflect and say that you cant get a decent semi for under $1100-1200, you are right, and it suddenly makes sense.

And it is one I want to keep it is worth spending a little on it, all I need to do know is find somewhere who has them for sale. :P

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Good luck with that. I have 2 Kidd 2-stage and want one more. I have been watching them on the secondhand market for the last 10 years. they come up very very rarely. maybe once every 2~3 years and either they are either priced too high or gone within hours.

A friend of mine has been looking out for one for a while, I have been telling him the same thing.

People tend to think KIDD 2 stage is expensive because 10/22 is a mass produced cheap gun. Truth is that all high end triggers cost about Kidd money or more. See for example Bix'n Andy and Jewel. I think if you every had to replace an Anschutz 50.18 trigger it will cost no less than a Kidd as well.

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Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

@Mr Browning @The bomb

USA Guns Ltd

Kidd triggers etc

Looks like he's sold out of single stage triggers again but has 2 stage still in stock.

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Sweet, thanks for the link sir.

All that money and they cant even put a decent mag release lever on it. No wonder people have a shit of a time poking fingers and thumbs in holes trying to get the mag out with levers like that.

Will go into GunWorks next week and chat and see what can be done I think.

I fitted my 10/22 with the VQ hammer. Took all of five minutes and made the trigger pull a lot better. Not glass rod better but it allowed easy shooting out to 100-120 metres on rabbits.

I think my standard trigger has been worked on by previous owner,not bad a bit like an old school 2 stage but breaks pretty crisp once the slack is taken up,will upgrade to a Kidd one day though.

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

Sweet, thanks for the link sir.

All that money and they cant even put a decent mag release lever on it. No wonder people have a shit of a time poking fingers and thumbs in holes trying to get the mag out with levers like that.

Will go into GunWorks next week and chat and see what can be done I think.

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I have tried the long lever mag releases and find they are only good for target shooting as it's easy to accidentally drop mags while hunting. The Kidd mag release is much easier to use than the original but you would have to try it to find out.

One of the main issues here is trying to explain what it's like to use trigger X or Y.

You kind of need to try them out.

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

Cheers for the info and prices, havent heard of a Kidd trigger, but based on the price they might be more for competitive shooting, and a bit over the top for my needs.

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The kidd is 100% hands down the best 10/22 trigger on the market
By a huge Margin
It is well worth what you pay for it although i probably wouldn’t fit one to a standard rifle ether myself
It would be awesome but at the same time double the cost of the rifle and the rifle itself isn’t accurate enough to take full advantage (talking standard $500-600 models)
The only one of the drop in triggers I haven’t shot with at some stage is the jard I have some experience with all the others
In my opinion the others (apart from kidd) are not much improvement over a properly worked factory trigger
Possible slightly crisper but that’s about it
And not worth the money in my opinion

If I brought a cheap factory 10/22 for hunting Purposes tomorrow all I would do is send the original trigger to get worked
And that’s it that would make the trigger about 1.5-2lb which is as light as you would ever need on a hunting rifle
As it is I own a full kidd 10/22 so just use that for everything but it’s certainly overkill for a hunting rifle and your trigger Discipline has to be on point with a 12 oz trigger you touch it and it will go bang