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Knocked over a couple of fallow spikers at 340 yards back of farm. Both through front facing shoulder. Went straight through blowing lung out the offside. Both dead after some stumbles and then a sideways fall.
I've had this on 3 deer now, including a large red stag.
Does this match others experience? Shot at 2960fps MV.
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@terryf your knife in action.
Spinning along out of your 280AI?!
Yes...RE26.
Yep. If you drill through the front facing shoulder they do the same at 600y too.
Yup I get slightly more mv out of my rem mag at 3040fps but performance is yet to let me down everything I have hit has died on the spot
Bullet going straight through is a good thing, they dont go far with air vents. I think that the bullet is sucking the bits out not blowing them out. Most dramatic I have seen was goats with 90gr hollow points out of a 270. Bushes behind looked like a washing line.
I am also using these in my 280ai only shot one animal so far a medium sized hind at 280yards, mv 2980. Lots of damage deer dropped on the spot but no exit. Had been using them in a 284 at about 2700 shot around 10 deer and goats out to 1km worked very well.
Are these the rebranded 162 amax or is that the Edl-x?
Yes ELDMs.
Went amazing out of my 284 @ 2750~. Blew a hole in a sika stags neck at 90yds~ and smashed a big red stag at the same range. Completely sold on them and shot them in multiple calibres now with great success. Exit wound on a fallow spiker at 300m~
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Yeah I used the old amax in my 7mmRM - cant remember the FPS off the top of my head, but it was moving - and had the same experience at 450M, insanely good killers.
I havnt used the eldm as yet, im still working thru my decent supply of 162 Amaxs, which work awesome!
I believe the eldm is constructed almost identically to the Amax and if their terminal performance is the same as the Amax theyll be what i change over to when my Amax's are finally depleted.
Have shot around 15 or so deer with them now in my 284 at around 2600fps. Ranges from 10 - 500yards. They work bloody awesome. Few vids below that capture some of the shots.
https://youtu.be/KBzrEIjTu9o
https://youtu.be/rkSLdcqMBRE
https://youtu.be/9BOYPCjQXTE
https://youtu.be/_Ev9gVr4xqA
@stagstalker. Very much appreciated. Thankyou and Well Done :)
@stagstalker awesome vids.
I know the TMK and A Max's shoot same point of impact in my 308 with the same bullet weight
So going off this thread the Eld M's should shoot very similar? I presume? Not that I'm going to run out of TMKs but it's always handy to know
Cooked up one if the deer hearts this morning in butter and crushed garlic. Bloody tasty.
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stop it...my gout is playing up just looking at that pan full of yummyness
Ive done the lungs out the otherside thing ,but on wallabies with poohseventy and old school silvertips,actually saw the pink bits fly through scope.250ish yards away,one of the few resting shots we got on the hoppers. I was curious so went down n across gully to see.
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Ohhh I need to do one of the many hearts in my freezer :cool: side not they make excellent Stroganoff
Ive shot the odd deer in my time and have never eaten a heart. Not sure why. If Ive needed meat on the same day as Ive shot them Ive used the inside steaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08
The next deer I shoot (God willing) I will try the heart.
I shot several deer with my (ex now) Saum and the 162 ELDM and they performed just like described here. Out to 425 yards.
heart is suprisingly good and yes like the inner fillets you can eat it straight away, Steve Rinella has a good vidoe on youtube on how to prep for cookingQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I sacked this yearling this morning at 124m with 162gr ELDM out of my 7mm08.
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Use them exclusively in my 7mm08 (and 7x57). Shot a scrubby 9 point stag at 162m (not kidding), that did the hunched shoulders leap and walk 20m before expiring with a big hole in its off-side (more to do with poor shot placement than anything else). All others have been bang, drop.
My eldest son shot his first deer with the 7mm08 and 162 ELDM at 140m. The pink spray was 'impressive'.
Nice straight old rifle there @Pauli. What is it?
It’s really interesting to me how we do things differently down here. To the Europeans, the idea of using a 7mm ELD-M on a red deer is an anathema to them. They can get really shitty with you! There’s also quite a strong community of Americans who really really don’t like using this kind of soft bullet on game. It doesn’t seem to matter what evidence you put in front of these people, they’ll regard you as incompetent / unethical / irresponsible / whatever, no matter what. If it isn’t super-hard bonded / segmented / monolithic, then you’re all kinds of wrong in their eyes.
Sako - well a bitsa. AII action I bought off a forum member, Sako barrel off TM and I swapped a AI stock for the L579 stock. Reblueing by Allen Carr and stock work by Kevin Gaskill. My go-to rifle for reds.Quote:
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@Tahr my first time myself too. First and last tried in the Kaweka's in 1997 when one of the boys did a Sika heart in brown sugar...never forgot how good it was.Quote:
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@dannyb yep I watched the video first haha. Just as well as I would of sliced and cooked the whole heart. Found the heartstrings too...interesting there is some truth to that saying.
The thing in Europe is that shot carcasses get sold on the meet market.Quote:
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They go through rigorous vet inspection and with any "over damaged" meat you can seeing price cut in half if not more.
The other thing is that with driven Shooting , the shots are not always well placed and they prefer to have a bullet going through to leave an easier blood trail to follow.
While saying that, a friend of mine in France who used to be a hard bullet partisan years ago for driven Shooting is now using a 7x64 162gr sst hornady load and has done marvels with it over the last few year on wild boar. His Last season was 69 animals down with 72 rounds shot.
Sorry, not shot with am ELD-M (in fact it was a dirty old Speer HP) but it isQuote:
Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08
heart related. Haven’t seen Rinella’s video on it, but I tried a different method for cutting up the heart than I usually do. Previously have just cut it in rings, but this time I kinda segmented it and removed any of the stringy/sinewy bits- was trying to get best result to encourage the brats to eat it - which they didn’t! Oh well, more for me [emoji3]
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The practical reasons for the Euros using hard bullets make sense - it’s more the emotional response towards soft bullets I’m thinking of. What I’ve experienced is a reluctance to accept that soft bullets can kill so emphatically - quite the opposite seems to be the impression, hence comments about their use being unethical etc. It’s a good example of just how wide the spectrum of preferences and experience is, and how it varies by region.Quote:
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@Tahr you will enjoy it, it’s very tender
I like frying it up with some sliced onion.
Dont think it would matter what bullet at that sort of range would it. They are always going to knock holes in things when they are moving fast like that . Good result
True - I haven't had a bang/flop yet but they don't go very far. (few steps).
The instant hit the deck bang flop is just a bullet placement thing really, if the bullet hits any of the CNI areas, or spine its normally instantly down on the spot. Miss that by just a couple of inches and it may not be but as long as vital damage is done and say a shoulder broken it isnt going far before it dies.Quote:
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if you move point of aim forwards it will help in the bang flop thing....but yes most times a short run or few staggering steps is normal...
I’ve always aimed at the crease behind the shoulder. I’ve welded a few to the spot with the 162 s @3040 FPS
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Case in point. Your looking at the entry hole here.
Jesus...
