Hey team
Looking for a 17hmr, ideally under/around $1000, happy to buy used.
Who has one and has recommendations?
What’s everyone’s opinions on silencers, are they necessary?
Mainly for rabbits.
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Hey team
Looking for a 17hmr, ideally under/around $1000, happy to buy used.
Who has one and has recommendations?
What’s everyone’s opinions on silencers, are they necessary?
Mainly for rabbits.
tried one, prefer 22 mag. but for bunnies just stick with 22lr
The 17hmr is pretty loud. A surpressor makes it much more pleasant. Given your location, you are likely to be making a lot shots on each outing...definitely get a surpressor. And 17hmr is the business for a dedicated rabbit rifle!
I have recommendations, get one for bunnies, they are lethal!
I have a .22lr but wanting something for the longer shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
Beauty cheers, haven’t shot one yet so wasn’t sure what to expect noise wise. Have seen a few deals with scope and suppressor included so will look into them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dama dama
Hi Rem1187, I went through the same issue. I decided to try 17hmr and haven't looked back. Yes it is noisier, but a DPT can (I share it between my 22lr and 17hmr), and find when I'm shooting bunnies at range they don't seem to take much notice of the noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rem1187
I got myself a Rossi 8117 from GC, they have them on special from time to for ~$349. It's a nice wee bolt action, threaded for a can. One of my boys headshot a bunny with it at 180m, I couldn't even see the damn thing (old eyes vs young eyes I guess). I have a Nikko Stirling 2-7x32 scope on it, but I'm thinking I'd like to put a 3-9 on it as givens it's legs it'd do better with slightly better magnification.
17 HMR my favorite possum caliber.
Great cartridge for small pests at ranges past where the 22lr runs out of steam.
I’ve got a Weihrauch, longest rabbit 189 metres, awesome, don’t have to pick up brass, needs a suppressor, extremely accurate.
This is the 3rd I’ve owned, started with a bull barrelled Brno, mistake #1, then an Anshultz, bolts with the pins are not quite there, great accuracy.
Then the Weihrauch, searching stopped
I havent used it much but got a Sako Finnfire 17 HMR and have found it ecxellent. Ive got a 22LR the same as a matched pair. One for practice and suppressed for close poss and indoor practice. I swap the suppressor between them. Its good for hares out to 80m as I need no holdover. Have shot one at 140m but went a couple of cm sideways and found it sitting wounded to finish off. Mine both have cheap 3-12 scopes - you can use the extra magnification with the 17 but dont stint on the low range and parallax focus -you will shooting at 10m fairly often.
If your 22 is half decent, see if you can get a 17 in the same model and same scope.
What level of precision are folks seeing with .17hmr (with ~10+ shot groups) ?
I have a cz 452 2e I'm think about moving on
Pm if your interested
I'll be traveling through your part of the woods on Saturday
With cci ammo sorted for concentricity over a gauge then 1/2 inch group at 100 yardsQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
If unsorted - and runout can be as much as 8 thou from the projectiles centreline then 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards
Remington 504T - LSHB
Longest rabbit kill 338yards on a Matapiro asparagus paddock
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Have a Zastava 17hmr, 7 shot mag groups 15-20mm at 90 meters with 17gr Federal, Hornady not much different.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
T1x 10 shots puts 8 into 20mm, but always a couple that take it out to 25-30 sometimes. Don't know if it's me, or ammo, but not worried about it. Still dead, just means it's shot in the eye instead of the ear.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Run your ammo over a concentricity gauge and it will shock youQuote:
Originally Posted by oraki
Sort it and use the straightest ammo for long range, your 100 yard groups will shrink
Ayyye???? Don't have one,........and don't really have any use for one. Are they a pricey investment?Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
I bought a CZ 452 off a feller on here 2 years ago. Took it to the range and it shot like this.
Have not done anything with it since but I pulled it out and scrubbed the heck out of the bore last weekend and might go shoot it Saturday with all the ammo types I can get locally.
Attachment 271897
E: clearly this is appalling precision, my Q above is looking to see if 10xrd 1.5 moa is a normal and realistic expectation, or is it 10xrd 3moa, to know when I've got it "sorted"
Scope?? Had 22 that looked like that until i changed scope. Only reason i say that is theres no real pattern of spread, just drifting sidewaysQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Nah the scope is a Leupold mk4, it's good.
I can only surmise fouling as the crown looks good and the bore looks OK as far as I can see, like not visibly gouged
The 17hmr can copper foul if not cleaned with boretech eliminator or other effective coooer remover
It needs to stain the patches blue with removed copper so you know when it’s clean
I had a very similar result with a 455 .17HMR with multiple ammos and different good scopes.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Turned out to be the suppressor, it wasn't striking but must've had some weird harmonics because as soon as I tried a group minus the suppressor, it shot perfectly acceptable.
Yeah i dunno what the PO did for cleaning but I've scrubbed with boretech cu & c4 and also Iosso paste.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
We shall see how it goes now
had a marlin heavy barrel, shot like a laser.
Too loud without a suppressor.
useless in anything above 5kmh cross winds. Calm evenings deadly out to 200m.
Too expensive to shoot when I could use my 223 with 50gr pills out to longer distances, reload and buck the wind.
Similar on the Rossi, seems to like the Horny 17gr vmax.Quote:
Originally Posted by oraki
Your ammo that’s not concentric, ie bent, not assembled straight , will be the source of the random fliersQuote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
This problem surfaced in 2005 when the 504T was released , yes 20 years ago
They are still making 17hmr ammo today that gives you a giggle when rolled on a concentricity gauge, it’s the reason most went on to use a 223
The neck tension required to hold the projectile is ridiculously high and crimps the projectile, damaging it, and is also the reason they can’t anneal the necks, which results in split necks and causes velocity variations
The rifles are accurate, the ammo not so much
Iv had 3 Hmrs, an anschutz, a weihrauch and now a steyr. The Weihrauch was consistently the more accurate. The steyr is as good but a lot lighter so harder to shoot off the bench. These are 50yd 4 shot groups from the weihrauch. Overlayed they are under .5 inch and the third group I videoed for the prospective buyer fits in the same, so 12 shots hovering around MOA. Keeping in mind its a rim fire and slight wind will ruin a group at 100yds which is why Ill test at 50 unless its a rare dead calm day.
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rossi bolt or semi ?Quote:
Originally Posted by vulcannz
Moving to a 223 with factory ammo would be a worse problem. My 17 would group an 1” at 100, I have deleted all the targets from my photos so cannot prove. A 12 gauge hull is good at 100.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
Old ammo can be a problem, I always listen to the shot as I’ve had a couple fizz and leave the projectile in the barrel, split necks are common.
Just remembered I owned a 4th, it was Sako, but not made by Sako, didn’t own it long
Bolt. I don't think they do a semi in 17.Quote:
Originally Posted by gonetropo
Thoroughly recommend this for rabbits.
I have a CZ bolt action with a varmint barrel & a Savage semi A17.
I would recommend CZ or Tika and yes do put a suppressor on it !!!!
Other important thing to get right is a decent scope. You need the ability to pick out a small target at 200-250 metres so don’t skimp on the optics.
All the best
So this may or may not be informative.
I did a bit of digging and came to the conclusions that:
1: ammo quality lot-to-lot is indeed highly variable and drives precision with rimfires
2: precision expectations with .17HMR should be limited, and the ammunition is such poor quality that it is not possible to get a good understanding of precision with a particular load/lot # from 3, 5, or even 10 shot groups - 20-30 (or 50) is needed.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/threa...204943/page-14
I shot the 3 ammo types available locally. It does appear that precision at 100m is correlated with velocity consistency - unlike centrefire cartridges at 100m, but similar to centrefire cartridges at longer TOF. I can watch the trace going in at 100 through the scope with the .17....
I think my barrel is about 14 inch for reference
20gr CCI HP - average V 2258 SD 51. Inconsistent, not good.
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17gr CCI Vmax avg v 2541 SD 38, inconsistent - mean radius higher than the 20gr. No good
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17gr CCI TNT HP avg v 2443 SD 33, precision acceptable (1.67moa 30rd group, probably reasonably representative of the actual cone of fire). I'll buy a bunch of this particular lot # if I can get it.
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In future it is apparent that ammunition will have to be selected through large sample lot # testing.
I'll also bed the action & make sure my barrel is well-floated on the CZ but don't expect any major improvement in results considering the sorts of precision others have shown (see RFC threads) with large samples even with highly customizable rifles. Looks like .17HMR is a "1.5moa at best" true precision proposition if you get a good lot of ammo. For my use I will not bother investigating whether any sort of concentricity sorting can make any difference.
I've had Three 17hmr
CZ453 Varmint with a greystone can, fuk me that thing shot like a laser, bunnies out to 250 yards ( stupidly sold aka gave it away on here )
Browning T bolt Varmint / laminate stock HRE suppressor, was an awesome little rifle, shot ok ( was given so much shit by me old farmer mate I sold that too )
Currently running a Sako Finnfire II with DPT & 3-18 Z5 Swaro, Shoots pretty good & is a lovely rifle to use
I like the 17hmr, ammo has got very expensive, kills well for what it is & within limits & it's no 17 hornet ( which I also had to replace the hmr ) or a 223 but then you don't need to fuk around picking up brass - reloading & being rimfire they're lighter & not as loud when on lifestyle blocks etc
I'll still keep one in the safe
Got some hornady ammo in queenstown if you are looking for some
@gimp are those groups shot using a 5 shot magazine?
10 but yes fed from a magQuote:
Originally Posted by sneeze
There seems to be clusters related to the mag change, possibly breaking position to reload? Rimfire I find is quite sensitive to hold position . @mudgripz might chime in hopefully.
I havn't seen the lot to lot change in HMR being any where near as relevant as with 22LR. I have a couple of different lots of the cci 17gr HP here. If you want to try then I might be catching up with R93 at easter, he could take them back
Love my CZ457 with DPT suppressor - think these are a must for these HMRs. Found the CCI A17 ammo great grouping for me - then tried the Hornady XTP - even tighter so will use that once the brick of A17 is used up.
Found grouping goes to shit quick, so carry a pull thru with me - twice thru and a laser once more...
Just needed the legs over the humble .22 LR
Im happy to buy the A17 brick off you, I'm always trying to get the stuff and nobody stocks it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasty Factory Trigger
