whats cheaper to run with average ammo?
whats the plus and minus of both caliber's. i have seen the wind test done
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whats cheaper to run with average ammo?
whats the plus and minus of both caliber's. i have seen the wind test done
Can only speak for the hmr but I love mine great for small game easily shoot it out to 150 yards and laser accurate.
I guess the 22mag might be better if you want to shoot larger game but I have center fires for that.
Whats it costing per shot for the hmr
No idea but not enough to worry about, I don't think there's a significant if any cost difference between 17hmr and 22magQuote:
Originally Posted by bigbear
I just buy bulk 17gn vmax through gunworks it's cheap as
Cost of both is approximately the same, some brands as cheap as 38c each others over 60.
The 30 grain 22 mag certainly improved the options now there's one at 2100 fps as well
Just had a quick look
17gn vmax is $92 per 200 rounds
And 30gn vmax for 22mag is $87 for 200 rounds
Consequently I've heard people are getting fantastic results with the 30gn
But cost just isn't a factor to sway either way it's only a few $
Just had a look as well, yep not much between them.
So it just comes down to personal choice and what guns are out there
My son has a 17hmr, doesnt shoot it that often. But what I have found is he uses a lot less ammo than when he was using my 22 mag. Dont know why, maybe the 17 is inherently more accurate, or maybe its easier to use - who knows, but shit he can shoot hares a long ways out!
I still have a .22 for possum while its ok i would like a little more wack at times on them. then go up to my 7mm08. Got rid of my 223 and have no regrets doing so only hang onto for my boy to shoot and then he moved to my 7mm08 i got rid of it
So yeah after a gun for the old cat, hares and maybe the odd goat, and dog tucker ram. Want to keep on my sxs when at work
And peacocks and more peacocks
17 HMR works for me. I have used a 22 Mag. I prefer the 17 HMR.
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in my mind 17 all the way for pests up to Hares, but if goats are on the menu then 22WMR.
It will give you an extra 40 mtr over the 22 if you are working on plus / minus 1.5" for rabbits.
17 bullets are typically 17 or 20gr, while the 22 bullets are 30-50gr. (Excluding coppers)
I had a 22WMR and have only shot 17's against fruits but have had to finish of other peoples goats they had shot with a 17.
Some hot 30gr 22's are pushing 22-2300fps and make a great mess of possums but they do lose speed very fast.
My favorit e was the rem 33gr, or win 34gr, have not tried the new cci 35gr but they are all up around 2100 fps.
The best 22 msg ammo is RWS but it's hard to get(too expensive )
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I looked at something similar a while back. I was tossing up between the two, ans would up getting a 223. Ammo was not much more, (less if I reload) and I could slow it down or use heavier pills at similar speeds. Rifles were similarly priced and I found the 223 did everything I wanted to do with the WMR or HMR and more besides.Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyb
Downside was I still wanted one so I did what all self respecting shooters do.....I got one of each, matching and threw identical scopes on them and added a 308 to the mix as well (Also matching....) I use the 223 when hunting, but have the WMR on hand if the 223 is "overgunned" This was a picture of just after I got them and before I fitted the identical scopes. Top is a 455 (22LR and 22WMR switch barrel) , 527 in 223 and a 550 in 308...
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Shouldn't have sold that 223!
I down-load mine with fast powder. It's basically a 22mag+P. 2450 with a 55gr shooting as flat as 17hmr.
7-8c primer
9-10c powder (11-12gr AP100)
30-40c projectile (cheapo 40-55gr varmint bullet)
0c brass (someone will donate you some if need be!)
So, 46-58c per round. Hardly any more than 17hmr/22mag.
I prefer the .22 mag, and sum new .22 mag ammo out in last few years, is closed the gap in performance at distance.
Remington has 33 gr load, Winchester a 34 gr load and federal A22 .22 mag 35 gr out now, these 35 gr give me 2210-2240 fps in my VQ, semi .22 mag.
I had a CZ .17 HRM, very accurate, liked it a lot, but found sum days, a lot more runners/wounded, esp when jump shooting in tight cover, over the .22 mag, the magnum will almost always exit a hare, the .17 not always.
Bought a CZ 17 hornet, and didn't use the HRM for several years, found the hornet suited me for small game at distance, and I can load it for about the same cost as the HRM.
I found the cheaper .22 mag ammo, is a buck or two cheaper than the cheapest .17 HRM, but the cheap HRM ammo much more accurate, than cheap .22 mag 40 gr,
I have been playing with a rossi 22 mag, it shoots the Hornady 32 and fiocchi 40 well but the winchester 40 is all over the place. At present there's no chance to try other makes. Has anyone else found that the rifles picky with its food?
Is that the rossi package deal you can buy at the moment? $450
Another factor, just wondering, which suppresses quieter between .17HMR and .22Mag ?
Yes it is
I thought about it long and hard. Even shot my first deer with the 308...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pommy
I have both the 22WMR and the .17HMR is the CZ platform.
From practical experience, .17 is inherently more accurate than the .22WMR, and less effected by wind. It also suppresses better. The .22WMR will however drop bigger game if you are likely to run into a goat or a deer depending on the ammo you use (been caught out 3 times now running into deer with the .17 which I would have head shot had I had the 22WMR). The .17 does reach out further on rabbits by approx 50m. .17 is also less likely to have ricochets.
Ammo wise, I have been using Winchester 40gr jacketed HP in the .22WMR with excellent performance on rabbits and hares. This projectile performs just like a jacketed centrefire projectile, giving excellent expansion to double its calibre when fired into water filled milk bottles. My testing a month ago had it penetrate 4x 2L bottles face on. Grouping out of the CZ is around 2.5" @ 100m. This would be my pick of ammo if you were hunting goats.
I also tested some CCI 30gr TNT (among others) as I am at the end on my latest 1000 round batch of the Winchester and was supposed to be hunting bunnies at Easter. Holy crap batman!! These group around 1.5" @ 100, and a super explosive. They do not penetrate through the first milk bottle, and the bullet turns to dust. There is not a single piece of projectile left bigger than a grain of sand. Couldn't believe it on the first test so repeated it twice more with the same results. I haven't tested this on live game yet, but have bought 500 rounds for the next rabbit hunt. The TNT's would be a great solution were ricochets need to be well controlled.
In the 17HMR I am using 20gr V-Max. Its the most accurate through my rifle and has performed well on rabbits. My brother is using HP's because he could get the ammo cheap, but expansion is unpredictable, and the bullets seem to be much harder if you compare dead rabbit bodies side by side shot at the same distance. For the calibre, I would recommend the V-max and nothing bigger than hares.
So which one to get?
If you are only shooting rabbits/hares and you want to shoot consistently with one shot kills beyond 100m, HMR.
If you are shooting rabbits/hares inside 100-120m and possibly some goats, WMR and select you ammo to suit the situation.
If you want semi-auto, look at the latest model CZ in WMR.
I don't know the answer, but I do appreciate the suppressor on .17HMR, its a pretty bloody loud without it. Really need hearing protection if not suppressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by luckey
You can get subsonic 22WMR rounds. I don't think that is the case for 17HMR. It could make the 22 quite a versatile tool.
i used to shoot 22mag heaps ,brno 611 was may fav,also had a rem 597.tried out a 17hmr one night out spotlighting (private land).and soon after sold my 22 mags and now own 3 17hmrs . love it .awesome calibre . have owned a few now ,started with a marlin ,have had a few rugers and now settled on a ruger m77/17 heavy barrel stainless/laminate , savage a17 and a issc spa. all really nice rifles.the issc is a bit different but also pretty cool to use once you get the hang of it. the a17 is the first rifle out when i go spotlighting followed by my sako 270 which sits on the dash for when those really "big hares " jump out in front of us . the farm we spotlight on backs on to a forest park and fallow and reds tend to wander across to the crops. anyway i am a huge fan of the 17hmr
Side by side, from the shooters perspective, the .17HMR is quieter. From the target end of the gun 100m out, dB seems the same, just a different pitch.
.17HMR hands down.
Am seeing a lot more ammo for the HMR on the market now, it’s definitely picking up in popularity.
NOPE CZ .17 Hornet Awesome dont care about ammo its made to be used
What do you think of the rossi? I'm thinking that if it is any good it will become very popular. Any issues with FTF or FTE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
Cheap little package those rossi
I had a Ruger 77/22 magnum, was okay accuracy wise I shot thousands of rabbit's in uk with it then I felt it just seemed to lose accuracy somewhat so when the 17 HMR came out I imported a 17 HMR fluted stainless barrel from Lilja. USA.
Its been a laser beam since I fitted the new barrel so not sure I am comparing like for like but the Lilja shoots almost 1 tiny hole at 100 yards and is devastating on possums, hares and rabbits but I found wallabies were pushing the envelope but the 40 gr 22 magnum would be a better choice in my opinion for wallabies and my mates use them after wallabies.
I've only used the Hornady 17 gr maybe the heavier projectiles might be better.
One time I could only get 22 magnum full metal jacket thought I was missing everything went back to the 40 gr jacketed soft point no more missing! I could only get Winchester 22 mag at that time I had my first 22 magnum it was a Marlin back about 1980 ish it was a great inexpensive wee rifle.
I think I also fitted a Timney trigger way back 2005 / 7 ish to the Ruger.
One of these would be nice but would be just as happy with a black stock https://www.reloaders.co.nz/shop/Fir...ss+17+HMR.html
My mate has one in a Boyd's laminate stock very slick action but doesn't shoot any better than my marlin 917Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear
22 magnums enjoying a resurgence with us. Recently bought a Marlin heavy barrel 22 Mag and with the Hornady ammo its a tack driver. 0.28" grouping at 50m - gadgetman tested this one. He uses another Marlin and the on range that also blew big hole in the black dot at 50m. In the field they are very effective on bunnies - hit very hard and nothing gets back up. I was actually looking for a 17HMR when this 22Mag popped up but very happy with the buy.
As mentioned earlier 22Mag heavier round, harder hitting than 17HMR, and thus more suitable for light boned bigger animals eg goats/wallabies. 17HMR smaller round, faster, flatter trajectory, with longer final range. Magnums in the past were often very average with accuracy but with the new higher spec, improved load Hornady etc ballistic tip ammos, they have really lifted their performance. No wrong answers here - just pick the one to suit your particular circumstances. Good fun choices.
Or get one of each like I did and the voices in your head get to have and argument :fighting: every time you go for a hunt as to which one will be the most effective calibre given the conditions of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudgripz
I wouldn't ever consider shooting at a deer sized animal with one. I know people have taken deer with a .22 but realistically that's not on.
Goats too push the envelope past 75 80 metres, bodies too thick to reliably get to vitals and head or neck shooting requires perfect coordination and cooperation of the target.
S I Wallabies in my experience don't have the body mass over the vital bits to prevent the bullet getting through. They also "sit" a bit better still id consider the limit to be 100 or 120 yds.
Remember it's not just about being able to hit where you aim, it's also about the bullet arriving there with enough energy to dispatch the animal quickly and humanely and although the 22 mag starts out with nearly 300 ft lbs of energy by the time it's got to 100 it's lost half of that.
Or use a semi auto 22mag and pull the trigger 3 times each wallaby....Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil_H
I have never even seen a wallaby in NZ, my advice is less than useless. I use the double tap technique on hares every time with 10/22 though, if you miss twice you're no worse off, hit twice and it is not likely to get up. This is pest control, not hunting for meat of course.
Just to reassure you, I wasn't in anyway advocating shooting deer with a .22 mag. It was more in way of what would be theoretically possible if one was 100% able to guarantee shot placement every-time.
All said, I think I will stick with the plan of using the .243 until I can persuade the "Minister of War, Budget and Defence" - aka Sharon - to allow me to purchase a .223
Cheers
Phil[/QUOTE]
So @Pommy and I spent quite a few hours wandering about the hills sharpening up our general fitness and hunting skills looking for wobblies.
We learnt many useful things, including the fact that without a solid hit in the vitals they will keep going for a while. They are no different to any other animal in that regard. But hit them solidly with an appropriate bullet and they'll perish quickly. Even better if you collect the CNS in some way.
The awkward thing about the wee hoppers is how they are arranged - the vitals aren't huge and side on they're in the top corner.
Where we've spent our time there is a lot of potential for glassing and picking them off there is potential for 400 to 500 metre shots if you have the skills. A 243 with a well developed load with a 75 to 85 grain varmint bullet would be just superb!
Not meaning to sidetrack the OP's question - the opportunities for us to knock them over with a 22 mag or 17 are very limited. After borrowing a 17 to deal to a load of rabbits I would have no qualms using one on wobblies up to 150m for head shots - it was that good!!!
Your .243 would be ideal @Phil_H not only for the 300m+ shooting needed for roos but also for the bigger beasts you are likely to run into as well. Plenty of pigs and fallow about in SI roo country (I've also run into reds and chamois too).
I once used a 22mag on the hoppers but only for spotlighting at short range from the back of a ute. Moving ones got a whacked with the 12ga and those that were still got a bullet from the magnum. That was the rules of the farmer we were out with. Also whose rifle we were using so not sure what ammo type, but at distances out to about 60-70m they went down with a chest shot.
Yes you might well drop a wallaby or goat at closer range with a 22 mag - esp I think with the bigger 40-50gr pill rather than the ballistic tip. If that is you happened to chance on one during a bunny shoot...
But not anyone's caliber of choice for med or bigger animals. I also have a suppressed 243 for that.
Here is my 2 cents on this topic.
Firstly, lets clear up an important point: every one who is asking this question already has a centrefire rifle. If you do not have a centrefire rifle, then buy that first before making a choice between these two guns.
Now we got that out of the way, lets clear up the second important point: for any animal that you think you may be pushing the limit of 22mag or 17hmr, just use your centrefire. In New Zealand, as recreational shooters/hunters we do not have the scenario where you have to shoot >10 goat sized animals from afar. So if you have to shoot goat sized animal from afar, use your centrefire. Extra ammo cost is negligible.
As far as common hunting targets go, that basically then leaves just hare, rabbit, possum, magpie , stoat, weasel, ferret, and feral cat. Either 17hmr or 22mag will do the job. But 17hmr shoots flatter and is more accurate at all viable distances. Therefore personally I see no advantage of going 22mag.
Another common use for 17hmr is 100-metre target shooting, where a $500 17hmr gun will shoot as good as a $2000 22LR at 100m. It is easy on the shoulder and the ear, and it is cheap to shoot compared to centrefire . Again, I see no advantage with 22mag.
There is probably one particular use where 22 mag has an advantage, but it is politically incorrect, so let's not worry about that.
Hate to burst your "bubble" that was an April Fools joke :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
