Thread: 270 in a 20in barrel or 308 in 18in barrel

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

@Vietnamcam and @stagstalker Here's you two giving a thumbs up to someone wanting to shoot deer out to 500 with a short barreled 308, but not what you use yourselves is it ?, rich pricks with the latest in longrange deer slaying equipment being 6.5 prc and 7saum ! If arrows and 223's do the trick, why the Prc and Saum ?
Back in 1940 or somewhere there Townsend Whelan wrote that the minimum energy to humanly kill a deer ( Doe a deer a White tail deer ) was 1000 foot pounds of energy. That was with a 3030. Pennsylvania White tails are small deer like our fallow, not like Reds. Whelan thought 2000 for an Elk and a red stag is harder to kill than an elk.
It does not sit well with me when this 1000 fpe energy is used to calculate how far a given load can be used to shoot red deer.
If someone wants to shoot deer at 500mtrs they should be using 1500 fpe and 2200 fps impact velocity as minimums, they will probably end up with something like a 7Saum, 7 Rem Mag, 300 WSM etc

Who told you that?????

Originally Posted by Shearer

Who told you that?????

It is well known in the Safari Park industry, with which I am involved. As far back as we want to go with the Fiordland herd, the bulls are not recorded as moving far after being shot. Phillip Holden remarked on it

Originally Posted by Shearer

Who told you that?????

Philip Holden went on record saying they were easier to kill...which if you look at it logically is correct....very similar resistance for a projectile to GET INTO vitals and those vitals are a good 20% bigger....