Unless you compare apples with apples and give same fast twist advantage to both..... It will happen eventually as the 6.8spc made them a thing lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermitage
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Unless you compare apples with apples and give same fast twist advantage to both..... It will happen eventually as the 6.8spc made them a thing lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermitage
Yet there's still plenty of people that would much rather prefer to own and drive the old hilux than the new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ground Control
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Originally Posted by Micky Duck
The 6.5 CM is superior to the .270...you two are just biased and still in denial :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
I'll give the 270 one thing though... there's no denying that the 0.277” bullet diameter is going to leave a bigger hole than a 0.264” bullet. A bigger hole means faster blood-loss and less suffering to the deer.
That being said, the 270 bullet is only 0.013” wider than the 0.264” bullet, which is why I believe shot placement is the key to taking deer and the 6.5 CM is just easier to shoot than the 270 (50% less recoil).
I'll apologise now to some of you old codgers (aka 'coffin-dodgers'), who may relate to this quick summary: the 270 did work well but is now too old and needs to retire... as it's been superseded by younger 'better' cartridges. :D
Yes I dont know why but it is noticeable, you are right about the 270 WSM that sits them down very quickly. Once again speed kills when placed in the right spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Never owned a 270 but sure as hell won't knock what I haven't used aye. Proof of the pudding plenty of animals die with a .277 size ventilation hole(s) in the vitals. All are each to their own on insert debate here- .but let's stop this infighting stuff aye folks and just appreciate some people like different things for different reasons as they suit their needs better for whatever reason.
What would cause it? I cant think of a single reason outside of the mentioned bias for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman
Its all light hearted. No 270 user is going to get upset because others dont like them. Some creedmore users might be tearing at their man buns though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
The funny thing about “ Bias “ is that it can go both ways :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
It's getting to a point where we are trying to make a wheel more rounder.
yep for sure. But in this actual case what would cause a 130-150 gr projectile at 2800 to 3200fps of a reasonable diameter, to do something remarkably different too others in a similar class?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ground Control
Its not something I have ever noticed, and Ive used that particular cartridge alot. So the most likely factor to identify is the shooters choices, or bias in information perceived/ a combination of both, Surely?
However you dice it, the 270win has a bit more smoke out to 350-400mQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermitage
This is why I aim to take out the front wheels,they can't go far with them out of action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Hence the post, was wondering if it was all banter or if there were valid reasons. This forum is pretty handy for honest information, a Google search just leads you to whichever bias you already have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
There is an absolute HUGE difference between brands and models of projectiles..some are harder than hard and don't expand bugger all,others very explody. Personally I like explody 130 grn and not so explody heavier weights. Lightweights for light game and pick shots carefully on bigger deer...using stouter,heavies take out the front wheels and they dead before they limp five yards. Of all the deer I e shot with .270 over the years,the only ones that go more than twenty yards is when I haven't hit shoulders.Quote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
Jack O,Conner and his wife were sitting round the campfire one night and she asked Jack what made you buy that 270 man bun, my 7x57 has done the job for years. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
It would have more likely been pantywaste.
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Originally Posted by whanahuia
THIS is the correct answer I would hope, certainly in my case, it's all good fun and I only back the 270win because it's what I have always had as my main hunting rifle. I bet the deer don't know what killed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
Anyone who gets seriously upset by someone not liking the tool they use or not liking what someone else uses really needs to ask themselves why.
Well it filled in a rainy day, most of my comments got the cancel button haha
Il stick with my 308,its a sholder breaker.270 still a good shooter tho.
I love my .270w howa..but by hoki I miss the BLR.308
There are faster and slower. Thats not it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
Sorry I might have replied to the wrong post I was referring to the WSM being faster than the Winchester hence leaving less runners with the higher impact velocity’s, iv personally found to much speed a negative with certain projectiles I ran the vanilla 130sp for years did everything I needed it to now load 145eldxQuote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
Yip...and if you go with softer projectile you get more expansion and bruised bits/damage at slower speed.
Recently there was a thread about "what will kill of the 7mm RM . . . 6.5 PRC was my answer and Id say it has the potential to dong the 270 as well. Some modern cartridges just make sense. It's nice to like your 270 but in all good conscience I wouldn't suggest it to a young hunter buying a new rifle. If they were looking secondhand - maybe.
Probably said this before but there was a wonderful article by Geoff Roache in the NZ Guns extolling the virtue of the 270. He was doing a lot of shooting around Ruatahuna on big red stags across big gullies. With a 130gr pill it flattens deer. Think Tinsley used a 270 on wapiti . Greame Sinclair used a 270 and also a 25/06 when he hunted with Tinsley.
Id love to see the posts you cancelled.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
What a bunch of gaybo's!
Gibo says"gaybo's". Classic
It's definitely been the most accurate post in this thread so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
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And now we are on the verge of seeing a post on the 270 banned due to Religous Fanaticism and homophobiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Sorry for hurting your feelings :PQuote:
Originally Posted by akaroa1
Well I only has one gun for a short while in my late teens.
I had sold my 22 because a new Anschutz 22 was on order and expected in 2 months ... it took a year !
So I only had a 270 which I reloaded for.
I also was working in the Bush part time and had a gundog to feed.
The 270 was just fine and I could head shoot rabbits at 100m to feed my dog.
It was, and still would be a perfectly adequate " one rifle to do it all "
It's the annoying little brother of the mighty, 3006.[emoji41]
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How good is the 270? Sig spend millions developing a new 6.8 mm cartridge shooting a 135gr projectile, and it pretty much achieves what the 270 does.
You really are a .270 compulsive personality :)Quote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
Sig 6.8 compared to .270: Sig - shorter, less powder, less recoil, less noise. And I haven't even looked up the Sig's specs to check my assumptions.
The only thing that would make the .270 sillier is if it was belted :) :)
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Originally Posted by Tahr
More expensive. needs specialised rifles and cases to achieve the result. Recoil+- 1 ftlb
Greetings All,
In 1925 the .270 was a big step up from contemporary .30-06 army loads with a 150 grain projectile at around 2,700 fps but few seemed to have noticed at the time. I don't know what the original ballistics were but the claims would have been in a 26" barrel and aspirational rather than achievable. For handloaders, which were few,. IMR 4064 was the slowest powder available once it entered production. By 1950 with IMR 4350 and Surplus 4831 the .270 took off with handloaders. After the depression and WW2 hunters had more money and were more mobile which drove the need or just desire for new rifles rather than cut down military rifles. The .270 benefitted at least as much as any other.
Today although we might bag the .270 for its slow twist it is still a popular cartridge for which ammo and components are easily available. It still does everything it did almost 75 years ago just as well in fact better than that. I can not see it disappearing any time soon which is more than you can say for some of it's supposed replacements.
Regards Grandpamac.
But if it's the 6.8 sig I'm thinking about they are running at 75k plus psi (with a 2 piece case), to get a normal performance for a 270 from an AR platform with a short barrel. Not quite the same.
6.8 westerner I a bit more like the modern take on cartridges.
Shorter fatter unrelated case (just different enought to not get mixed with 270wsm), with a fast twist barrel to get heavier, more BC efficient projectiles that work better at longer distances.
Ala 6.5creed vs 260 and 6.5x55.
If you don't shoot that far out it's a moot point
And it'll be running when the 22 model is u/s due to some electronic part failing and being no longer available.Quote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia