Also interesting to see backfire Jim's critsizm of the design thoughts behind the 7mmPRC.
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Also interesting to see backfire Jim's critsizm of the design thoughts behind the 7mmPRC.
7mm rem mag all the way for a mountain calibre, with big long barrel. Put the suppressor on when you need it.
My mate had an old lightweight wood blued Winchester 270, printed clover leaf groups with it with factory ammo, saw him deck two deer with one good neck shot on both. I think He sold it for 300 bucks . wish I bought it, that old Winchester had an x-factor…Like the picture in this thread, some nice ones around if you can find them.
Superformance and RL26 is definitely the way to go for performance in these mid sized cartridges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman
I decided against the wiz bang powders, partially due to temperature sensitivity but most due to availability was unreliable at best.
I own two 30.06s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
If I didn't I'd own a 308 and 270, the son and daughter of the 30.06. :)
I came out of the closet a while ago, it hurts at first but they do accept you after a while. Owning a .308 and .270 is just accepted as being Bi-polar*Quote:
Originally Posted by 308
I'm so deep in the closet I've fuckin found NarniaQuote:
Originally Posted by turtleSO
Not really, for my money...and my style of hunting (and I stress HUNTING not target shooting at 500 yards) the .243 is hard to walk past, cheap to run, flat trajectory, good out to 300 metres on anything NZ has to offer with the exception of Wapiti. It's comparatively light (a real relevance as I tend to walk in/up the hills rather than ride) what else, oh yeah, doesn't waste meat all reasons the caliber was popular with the deer cullers back in the day. As for more modern stuff like Needmore...say no more and lastly....it keeps you on your game, big calibers just make for lazy hunters, I have heard so many times "If I hit it, it's gonna die" from hunters walking around with glorified canons, no finesse. ;)
Side note: whilst the above IS my opinion.....I'm also a smart arse so if you're inclined to be offended by my post....don't be, it's all tongue in cheek :thumbsup:
Grab the 243 in forsale section...Quote:
Originally Posted by Poko
I'd shoot a Wap with a .243 or other 6mm using a good bullet no worries at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Zedrex
ok, good to know, I'm still learning what the limits of my Franchi are, for bigger game like big red's and Wap what would you suggest as a bullet that'll give certain knock down at say 300 metresQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
One you can poke into its lungs. It's been said wap are no harder to kill than reds.vitals are bigger but still similar amount of skin n bone protecting them. So,not a varmits pill and as long as you be aware of range,not something super hard either.hard for close,softer for further.
95 sst, nosler ballistic tip have a good rep on here, I'm a big federal fusion or... just get the OG elk slayer. A 270:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedrex
Is this nonsense still going on?
270 is for folks who, for whatever reason, lack the ability to use a 6.5mm adequately.
108/109gr ELDMQuote:
Originally Posted by Zedrex
Of course you need a rifle that will stabilise them
Been cruising around the states from Michigan too Arkansas. Stopping in at any sports shop I see and asking what's most popular. 3006. 270.308 and creedmore. Also 350 legend and 450 bushmaster. Long range is not as big a thing as made out and shop owners dont see that changing
Interesting. No mention of 243Win?Quote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
I have not seen heaps of ammo for it.
Maybe cause it goes off the shelves super fast :)Quote:
Originally Posted by whanahuia
Sounds about right, there are a lot of poofs in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhon
You drive a Landrover and you're calling someone a poof?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
When you're in a hole the first rule is - stop digging
so the 95 deer season I currently use would be suitable then? So far thats reliably knocked over everything I've shotQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I've got Red Setter Elk Hunter boots...so reckon that's covered :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GSP HUNTER
Can you explain the hard for close, soft for further.....I'm intrigued :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
There is some bad advice on here. Yep you could kill a wap or sambar with a 243. But you will not break it down and it's more likely to give you a tracking job or loose it. I've shot both and they are hard to put down fast. Where do you draw the line? Bulls? Elephants? Size does matter.
Geez, I didn't realize the ol poo70 was such a contentious subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by 308
It was a joke, no one really thinks cartridge selection makes you gay, straight or otherwise.
Other than 6.5 manbun obviously.
Its always been the same old story from the 270 fans ...
If you use 3 shots with a .270 it was "because the animal was tough".
If you use 3 shots with a smaller caliber it was because "you needed something bigger".
There is no winning.
I guess the contention is cartridge choice is a consequence of what you are rather than it making you into something. Guess the idea is correct, just that the cause-effect analysis is faulty. Samurai wore manbuns (and topknots), French Cavaliers tended to long locks. The sexual proclivities of neither were discernable from their attire or style. A wise person would be careful what they asserted to either. But definitely a 6.5 manbun gives the show away. Unless its with a 6.5 Swede in which case its the real thing and totally admirable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
Right,AGAIN. The hard and soft...stout and fragibles... At fast velocity/up close a projectile is under one hell of a lot of pressure. Eg with rounded figures for ease of maths. 1:12" twist at 3000fps = 3000 revaluations per second x60 seconds in a minute = 180,000rpm so the projectile it trying to rip itself apart.think swinging by ket of water etc. when projectiles touches something it will start to deform...IF balance of speed,twist rate and hardness are good.you get lovely picture book mushroom formed as projectiles opens up,expanding frontal area to make even more mess,but stays together enough to plough through bone etc. BUT there are variables to consider. Some folks use soft expandy,explody projectiles to great effect.USUALLY they get poked into softer,more vulnerable bits,head/neck or slipped into lungs BEHIND shoulder bones. In theory up close these super soft projectiles can fail to penetrate if hit big bones.in theory. Sometimes they do,sometimes they don't. Shooting out long or at slow speed you NEED soft n expandy to get any worthwhile expansion as the previously mentioned forces trying to rip pill apart are less. Projectiles manufacturers are stuck between a rock nhard place. Too soft and will explode at high velocity,too hard and acts like a fmj and pencils through unless hits big solid resistance/bone. Back when most folks used 303brit n fmj ammo smacking animal through shoulder bones was far n away the best shot to put animal down fast,broken one means going nowhere and bits of ragged stuff into lungs as well as projectiles whistling through.
Taken to extreme.the 220 swift showed up problems with soft projectiles...they never made it to target,they ripped apart,vaporised in mid air!!! Lots of varmits type projectiles will do weird things if touch as little as a twig...that's not failure,it's what designed to do,break up fast inside groundhog,rabbit. Fmj or solids complete opposite,designed to plough through anything Intact. For deer sized game......oh hang on there are Samberg n wapity Vs Roe n fallow hinds. So it's all a balancing act. You try to match your load to size of game you intend to shoot plus pick shot to best utilise whatever you have on hand to use. I believe one of the few moose ever shot in NZ was with Weebly revolver??? Guarantee that wasn't aimed into shoulder bones. Lungs or behind ear would be my pick. Yes our man is correct to ANCHOR on the spot you simply cannot beat shear horsepower to smash bone. That's why I like to break one or both shoulders with .270 ,if however I had loaded a 100-110 grn varmits projectile,past experience has shown me folly of shoulder aim,it would be behind ear,upper neck.or good broadside slip in behind foreleg or not at all.
Honest statement here. I cant ever recall needing 3 shots when my placement has been good. I have fired the odd second shot for insurance though.
Me also, apart from the odd couple of air swings and perhaps a finisher on occasion.
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You .270 guys are amazing.
Same reply as when shooting my 6.5s, 7s and .30s. No bias here.
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I'm pretty sure the animal biology of deer hasn't changed much from the invention of the 303, 308, 270, so on and so on, that have taken many deer and continue to do so. Use whatever works for you. I'll leave it at that.
Rumour has all 270s sold and ammo running out the door.
Come on guys the best comment I saw year ago was would you go to the top of the hill bend over and tell them to let strip.
It will do the job like a myriad of of other calibres will do.
I'm hunting muzzle loader season in the states right now. A few days back I put a 50 cal projectile through the chest of a white tail buck at 9 meters. It broke the inside shoulder. Ripped through the center of the lungs and ended up under the skin on the far side. It took us an hour to track that deer and find it. It had gone 120 meters.
It would not have done so, from my experience, with a modern center fire. Mt host said the performance was the norm.
There are two factors you need. Bullet weight suitable to the animal you are hunting and velocity. At one extreme the muzzle loader has weight. But not velocity.
There is a pretty good bracket of calibers that offer the right combination of VxW. The bigger the animal and it's just wise to move up the W while retaining the V.
In open country you might be able to afford less W if you can see where the animal will fall.
The 270 offers good velocity at the upper end. And reasonable weights. If I were hunting elk or sambar all the time though I would use a 7mag or 300 mag. It just makes sense. Yes the 243 might and has killed Elk. But it will run further and you have more chance of not finding it.
I'm very careful. 2 days ago I passed up a very big buck at 50 yards because he only offered risky shot options. That's because I recognize the limitations of whatever weapon I use. And work within them.
I wish there was more recognition of that, rather than pushing of boundaries.
Thanks for the concise real world explanation :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
My T3 just back from DPT, will be interesting to see if I will lose much velocity with the 21 inch barrel and if I get an improvement in accuracy, although it was fine before the chop. 145 gr ELDX over 57 grs Superformance, previous velocity 3050 fps max load so approach with caution.Attachment 262977
Will try it out tomorrow hopefully.
I don't expect you'll lose much. I was getting 2920 fps with 145gr ELDX and 57grs of Superformance from my 19 inch T3.
