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Most factory 06 loads available in nz are 150-180grQuote:
Originally Posted by nor-west
Most factory 08 loads in nz are 150-180gr
Maybe a 150 fps in between them
Not enough to notice for me anyway.
Like i said non magnum.
A handloaded 30old6AI is basicly magnum performance.
How much do those rifles weigh and how is the stock shape on them?Quote:
Originally Posted by nor-west
It's funny watching someone defend an indefensible position
My old majestic 308 that had 3 or 4 inches off the barrel was loud as Fuck and light but due to the stock shape it would rotate up around the shoulder making a second shot very difficult.
Anyone who had a go with it said "Fuck that boots!" but it didn't at all(boot that is), it was loud and muzzle jumped.
I don't have a 30-06. I don't shoot anything that needs a bullet over 150gr, and using a 30-06 over a 308 for 150gr is pretty pointless - long action and a lot of extra bang for what, 80fps.
Haven't used a 30-06 to compare felt recoil, but I'd be confident in picking the difference between a 308 and 270 blindfold and I don't think the 30-06 would be any less. Anyone suggesting a 223 is anything remotely similar must be having a laugh.
Nothing against people who do use them though, whatever floats your boat. If I was buying a new deer rifle these days I'd probably go for something 6.5 or 7mm anyway. ;)
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Above are my brothers shooting some long range plates with my 1903 30-06.
60 grains of AR2209 pushes a 150 gr boatail out of this rifle at 3000 fps.
Good cartridge that will deal to anything in NZ. Generally feeds quite nicely too, being long and tapered/small neck.
More versatile than .270 due to bullet choice.
Recoil can be hard but anything can be gotten used to with practise or a suppressor.
Popular too, pretty much any sports shop will usually have a packet of rounds on the shelf.
So yeah I'm a fan.
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Nice old rifle
I had a Vanguard in BC stock and thought it was softer shooting that the Vanguard 308 in plastic stock
Think the cheek piece was key.
Only sold it because I picked up a MKV in 270
I like the 30-06
Only other 06 I have is a M1 Garand
Yes, may well have to give him an email Bruce,.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Someone else mentioned an article, I did sugest to him awhile back that we do a joint on the Win and Bdl.
Not sure if he was fussed on the accuracy part [that should get him going].
Not too sure about your figures GB, pretty sure i can handload my 06 to damn near 3k or at leat 2950 with a 150gr, whereas i could just touch 2720 ish with my 308. not knocking the 308,the threads about the 06.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
factory 2920 xp win with the 06, but who knows about my chrony
Need some mouthwash there JW? Next you'll be buying it from a h&f store.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
Had one, it was the rifle that dropped the bullets on top of the ground at Tussocks place at the 1000 yard plate 20 feet short of it. It's now the 6.5/06 I still haven't got around to shooting.
A cursory glance at my reloading manual indicates that you may have confused max loads with starting loads, to only get 2720 with a 150 from .308
Well you'd do best to try in the real world.
A cursory glance at my proven data says with 46.7gr of 2208 produces groups in the 1/3 range for 3 shots at a average out of a 22' barrel at 2720.
I thought you must have cut it in half like everyone seems to do:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
My old one liked 168s at 2750fps.
I would have got some 3006 dies and had a play with the old mans one but it shoots blue box fed really well and he only uses probably 3rounds a year these days.
Anyone played with 130 Barnes in a 06 or 06ai ?
3300-3400fps ?
HSF! :omg: Is that a real, actual, genuine Unertl 8x minus it's recoil spring on an 03A1? :cool: :drool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FRST
I agree with VC, recoil is much more about rifle weight, projectile weight and stock design, than caliber specifically. I have rifles that were painful to shoot, once they have a limbsaver on, no worries...
It is also a bit of a "cultural" thing. Where I grew up your first gun is a 22, my second was a 303 or 308 (early teens), and then 30-06 when you are "grown up"...
That was just from 5 minutes looking up Hornady and Winchester factory figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
Attachment 17909
Best group at 200m yet.
150 gn sierra game king at 2750fps
MARK
Good thing it was a target and not a deer...would have knee capped the fucker.
yep,it was quite a difference in elevation between 150s and 180s.I need to push the 180s faster but its about the best I can get with 2208(2580fps),any more and the groups start opening up
MARK
Mine shoots 150's and 180's 5" apart at 100 yds. Groups better with 180 gr.
yep.i've had better groups with 150s,but I think I've got recoilitis.
7x57...! Now we are talking!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudattack
Dan M
Got one of them, well the boy has when he's old enough ;)
iv got one here I baught of a friends wife when he passed away in 7x57. brno 600
baught it thinking it would be a great project rifle
still sits in my gunsafe, should really sell it
Well I can't understand how you can get that much out of the 308 with a 22" barrel with the 168gr VCQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
my data indicates the above mentioned 150 gr load, and less powder gave me less velocity
Rifle was a Winchester Featherweight.
I think I need a faster chrony.
Chornyed the 06 just before xmas again , average 2916
That's what it did and comfortably. over an ohler validated to 1100y.
The new old one i haven't really played with yet but 178s are over 2700 in a ladder:cool: yet to see if they actually stabilize at range but looks promising.
Perhaps look at your rifle and cases instead of your data?
Well bugger, maybe my chrony is shot.
afterall it did 100 fps faster the other day than it did a day later.
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Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Just looked at Black Hills data
308 26" barrel 168gr match 2694
306 22" barrel 168gr match 2678,
Hmmm.
Attachment 18019
5 or 6 fireings no case head stamping or shaving tight primer pockets.
The flat primers are fed 215(soft) the ones that look like a starting load are pmc lr.
Both same load.
I get the same velo (2750) with 168 Amax and a 20" barrel, 130gn TTSX gives up 3100 outa the same 308, 3006 is only more usefull than a 308 when your need is 180gn and above.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
I have got two .30/06's. I bought a second one because I only owned one at the time.
I have used it a lot for the last few years, on fallow and red deer. Have got good loads for a number of bullets/powders, but have settled on 150 grain interlocks at 2950fps with IMR4895 out of a 22 inch barrel, and 180 grain Interlock Round Noses with H4350 getting 2700fps in one rifle and 2800fps in another. A number of loads will go into an inch without too much fuss. I dont really do load development any more, and its not hard to find good loads for a .30/06 at all.
Overall, the rifles like the 150 Nosler ballistic tips the best for accuracy, but I am not entirely sold on the BT's for an all round bullet, I shoot too much stuff up close.
I have some Sierra 220 grain RN's to play with now.
I never tried to load it right up for speed, but I suspect it would cause the .308 owners here to change religons if you tried it seriously. The fastest I ever clocked was 3050fps with H4350 and 150g interlocks, but that wasn't even trying.
I have owned four .30/06 rifles by now I think. It's a great hunting cartridge really. And if you dont like the kick or how efficiently it kills, you can download it to mimic a .308. Or even use it as a .30/30 if you want, with the flat nose bullets. (170 grain flatnose bullets shoot really well out of a .30/06 with just about any load - the best being 46 grains of IMR4895 for 2490fps)
Remember, when you buy a .30/06, it comes with a free .308 and .30/30 at no extra cost.
The 3006 far supersedes a 308 in the bush.
Not talking about ballistics or gun wait or any of that non relevant bull shit.
A it's a long action.
B you don't need a strap.
You can fit your hole hand around the scope and carry it like a hand bag..
when you see the deer your shooters in ya hand not on your shoulder...
Dead is bloody dead,
People these days worry less about finding the critters and more on wether a bullet will expand or hit 150fps faster or not.
I recommend a 3006 to any one for the above reason, factory bullet of it goes bang so who gives a fuck and it's fuckn dead job done lets take it home and eat it.
The 30-06 isn't "sexy" in NZ.
I'm sure if you mucked around a bit with powders etc you could get performance that would surprise most people.
I know I was surprised when I talked to a guy who is using one to great effect on a lot of animals out to some surprising ranges.
That was why I designed my 30-06 imp reamer.
I'm very impressed by it's performance, but as I mentioned the 30-06 or even the 30 cal for some reason or another just isn't "Sexy" here.......
Both my hunting rifles are 30cal (308win and 300wm). But then I'm not particularly sexy either.
I love the 06' case........Thinking of getting another. Shoulder pushed out to 40 degrees and wrapped around a 6.5mm projectile:D
Carlos Hathcock managed just fine with a 30-06;)
Wash your mouth out! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
People don't think its sexy...probably.
But some of the things that are considered 'sexy' leave me at a bit of a loss. Like some of the little 6.5 cartridges.
I know some people are afraid the .30-06 kicks too much, or that its too 'big'. But it is very popular everywhere else, particularly in Africa and Europe. Suprisingly, the .30/06 is quite popular in the UK, from what I am told.
I shoot factory 168's with my 20" 308, and average velocity chrony'd is 2700 exactly. 20 shots to crunch the numbers, and GM was there.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
So I guess you can get a fair bit faster with Handloaders!
Some 150gr Superformances averaged 2900fps.
