Thread: 300 PRC why hasnt it achieved greater popularity ?

Is it just the momentum of too many 300 win mag and a small customer base of hard man hunters ?

Or is the recoil too much for precision competition work ?

Is it a patent problem like the 7mm WSM had ?

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No ,its because I shot the last elephant in the kawekas years ago

Because its a Hornady marketing gimmick with no real practical value

If you shoot distance its a very nice cartridge. one of the best options if you dont want a .338 lap bolt face if you want to reach out long.

Definitely NOT a gimmick

30 cal at longer ranges excels wit above 200gr projectiles and not many factory 300 WM are throated or twisted to run them.

I think they aren't super popular for hunting here because most of us like light weight rigs, which doesn't work as well with the PRC unless it is braked.

I wouldn't hesitate to get one. quality brass, dies and bullets are generally pretty attainable

The idea is great in my opinion, Hornady have created a cartridge that manufacturers can chamber rifles in which is designed around sending a long heavy 30 cal projectile down range at pretty decent speed, A rifle you can go buy off the shelf thats ready to shoot with the appropriate twist to suit those long heavy projectiles.

I see plenty of people bagging on it & the whole "my (insert 30 cal magnum here) can do the same thing" etc etc, but the reality is in factory form it cant. Someone can correct me if im wrong but i doubt theres anyone out there shooting 230gr bergers or the likes down there 1:11 twist factory barrel with any sort of success at range. If you own a factory rifle in 300 win mag / 300 wsm etc, your not shooting anything heavier than the likes of a 208gr ELDM at absolute best (not accurately at range anyway) down your 1:11 twist factory barrel, not to mention the COAL problem, take a tikka 300 win mag factory rifle for instance, even a 200gr eldx at mag length is way down in the case taking up valuable powder capacity. Yes you can rebarrel your 300 win / wsm etc throat it to take the longer projectiles & have the appropriate twist but going down the rabbit hole with customising a rifle and the cost involved isnt everyones cup of tea so for someone that wants to just buy a rifle off the shelf thats ready to go shoot these big heavy 30 cal bullets, 300 PRC is great IMO.

Maybe its not taking off in nz because most guys that want to sling these big heavy 30 cal projectiles have already gone down the road of rebarreling their 300 win / wsm etc?

if Remington reintroduced the .222 today.......it would have the same problem.....its at the very end of whats allowed on public land,you need to be a very good shot to get the best out of it,or indeed any benifit over 10 other cartridges of SIMILAR nature.
unless the range is right in its sweet spot that 10 other cartridge number can well be doubled or even tripled

in short its a Neitch market.....

if your a bush hunter you arent going to sell your .308 to buy one
if your a farmland hunter and usually dont shoot past 600 yards your not going to sell your (insert cartridge of choice here) to buy one
if your a Father getting your kids into shooting and want one rifle you both can use..you wont buy one
if your recoil sensitive you wont buy one
if you like ammunition to cost less than $4 a round you wont buy one
if your into long range slaying of animals and you have perfected your art with your (insert calibre here) custom build that cost you the equivilent of house deposit to build...your unlikely to sell it a huge loss in order to buy new skid on the jock to then go out and relearn it all again..in saying that,THIS IS ITS MARKET
if you have $$$$$ to burn and the urge to scratch the itch and have something different better than your mates one..you might buy one

not my cuppa tea...maybe its yours???

Originally Posted by Bagheera

Is it just the momentum of too many 300 win mag and a small customer base of hard man hunters ?

Or is the recoil too much for precision competition work ?

Is it a patent problem like the 7mm WSM had ?

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....sounds like you're trying to justify one and writing a pros & cons list...?

Its just bigger then most people need, The 7prc on the other hand will rule the next 100 years like the remmag has done

Originally Posted by Bagheera

Is it just the momentum of too many 300 win mag and a small customer base of hard man hunters ?

Or is the recoil too much for precision competition work ?

Is it a patent problem like the 7mm WSM had ?

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Greetings @Bagheera and all,
This reminds me of a meeting that I heard about once. A group of gun scribes were gathered around the latest wizzo offering of the gunny kind. Most were admiring the new wannabe best ever when a wrinkled old gun writer wearing a large hat said loudly
"What's it for"?
Silence descended on the room and after a while the scribes wandered away. What they did not want to say was that the rifle was not to fill a gap in what was available but to provide something new to boost sales and drive demand. This may not be the whole reason behind the .300 PRC but it is part of it. It is hard to see a use for any .30 calibre magnum in NZ let alone a new one. In other countries with large and truculent game perhaps but not here.
Regards Grandpamac.

I've build one for long range gong shooting and think it's great. Had it out to 1800meters in steel and shot a few animals at 700meters +
Not really any competitions in the north island where I can use it, but there are a couple.

Originally Posted by 199p

Its just bigger then most people need, The 7prc on the other hand will rule the next 100 years like the remmag has done

A more accurate statement I doubt has been posted in a while.

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I think a cartridge is never really going to be truly popular until components (brass) and ammo are very mainstream, and not excessively expensive compared to other options which do basically the same thing with better availability and lower cost.
I mean, $433 for 50pc of Lapua brass? No thanks..

Im thinking for tahr hunting and for stags in the Rimutakas.
Use on gong shooting would be good too but I can see that templating might limit that and I wonder about whether I can handle 30 rounds of recoil in awkward positions over a couple of hours.

Its a bit more retained kinetic energy out at the 300-500 m range that I’m looking for. Something like a 3006 has at 50m. I have respect for the bulk of a bull tahr.

Then there is the wind, where a drift that’s imperceptible at a firing point can translate to like 0.5 mRad at 500m and play havoc with shot placement. 10cm less random drift plus 5cm bigger hole compared to my 7mm08 could translate into better results for me and the animal.

Naturally, I’d like Sako to chamber it in their new 90 range off the shelf. I’m interested in peoples thoughts on the wisdom of rebarreling a WinMag. There was a leftover carbonlite in that calibre at H&F the other day. It sounds like its the factory cartridge-rifle package thats the 300PRC’s virtue ?

if yo ucant already do it at 3-500 yards with a WinMag ...well yo uarent going to do it much better with something a little faster.... I believe you have slighted the mighty 30-06 too..... its more than capable of snotting that bull thar off his perch with authority at that range...

Originally Posted by ChrisW

I think a cartridge is never really going to be truly popular until components (brass) and ammo are very mainstream, and not excessively expensive compared to other options which do basically the same thing with better availability and lower cost.
I mean, $433 for 50pc of Lapua brass? No thanks..

Jey0zuss - I brought me last 50 of .338LM for $2.50 a pop... Ouch.