Thread: .300 WinMag Break vs Suppressor

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

or buy my 338 with the nightforce and be real badass....

Haha nah buy my rem mag, its way more bad ass....

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

or buy my 338 with the nightforce and be real badass....

Too much bang!! If I had money , lots of money would in a heart beat just for the caliber!

Originally Posted by DanS

I have about 25 pieces of paper that look exactly like that with different combos haha, its such a hard decision deciding where to throw your money. but I have to agree with the Tikka , the weight is the biggest factor, I reckon if you bed it properly it will shoot sub 0.75MOA @ 100 with ease. Again limbsaver is a must, and the quality bipod is as well. the scope was the thing I have been humming and haaa'ing over for a long time, need top quality glass firstly but I also want the low magnification range as well as the high end range which is the hard point.

Was looking at mil-dot scope pattern so I don't have to dial wind instead just hold it, thoughts?

na dont get a mildot reticle as it most likely wont match the moa turrets. get a reticle with 1 or .5 moa markings or just the rapid z reticle on the zeiss seems good. The zeiss mentioned above has the 5x multiplier power and you certainly wouldnt need more than 15x at the distance you are talking. could step up to a 5-25 but then you lose that low down power for close up. Other option would be a vx6?

Originally Posted by DanS

I have my .243 for my bush hunting but was after a tops rifle, so was pretty keen on the .300winmag as I've read alot of good stuff on it out to longer distances but that doesnt mean when you pop your head over a ridge or into a gully there isnt an animal standing there looking at you. I was looking at Senderos but will probably pass as they would be the best part of a 20lb rifle all set up and thats way to heavy for me, so was now looking at Tikkas.

I have a T3 300wm with Boyds Laminated stock. No brake or suppressor. Weight ready to fire, 8.2lbs (24" barrel).
Fine too carry at that weight and fine to shoot. I would not look at either a brake or suppressor unless, having shot it as is, you have some sort of problem with it.
Can't see what that would be though.

Thanks @Shearer , will cut costs that way. What distances you shoot ?
@PerazziSC3 vx6 was what I have been looking closely at, mainly because it was the only brand bar nightforce I recognized.

most people buy leupold because of the name and the warranty, not necessarily the quality.... you would be impressed with zeiss glass, its excellent world renowned glass, ive only owned a lower grade zeiss but it was still excellent.

Originally Posted by DanS

Thanks @Shearer , will cut costs that way. What distances you shoot ?
@PerazziSC3 vx6 was what I have been looking closely at, mainly because it was the only brand bar nightforce I recognized.

Same ranges as what you are looking at.
I have a VX3 4.5-14 x 42 CDS on top. Only complaint would be small field of view even on 4.5x

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

most people buy leupold because of the name and the warranty, not necessarily the quality.... you would be impressed with zeiss glass, its excellent world renowned glass, ive only owned a lower grade zeiss but it was still excellent.

Yeah I understand that, also am a big fan of the CDS

Originally Posted by Shearer

Same ranges as what you are looking at.
I have a VX3 4.5-14 x 42 CDS on top. Only complaint would be small field of view even on 4.5x

Sorry new to the finer details of scopes, so what makes a scope have a bigger FOV?

I've got a 300 mag with hardy suppressor if you get down this way your welcome to try it with and without suppressor

Originally Posted by hunter308

Just suppress it why even bother thinking about an obnoxious muzzle brake as you won't have time to put hearing protection on if you see an animal. Sorry I just hate muzzle brakes I have heard and felt the blast from one of those at a rifle range and it is not nice even with earplugs in.

What a load of bollocks. Most animals Ive shot at range have not known I was there for possibly HOURS. I could put in plugs, walk off the hill, buy ear muffs to wear over top, walk back, have a brew and then shoot the beast.

Muzzle brakes are very practical for open tops shooting and can be managed with good plugs. Anti social yes, but I'm sure a deer would consider it the height of good manners if you made it deaf rather than drove a few 100 grains of lead through its shoulders.

Originally Posted by Nick-D

Interesting test

Everything I have fired(not much in the mag calibres) has felt like it booted significantly less with a can on. Im sure some of it is purely perception due to less noise and muzzle flip.

Could it be that if you are getting a similar. recoil force but at a lower velocity maybe? so it lengthens out the recoil cycle and distributes the force across a longer time period?
It would be interesting to go frame by frame and check the recoil velocity of the supressed rifle vs the non supressed. Im sure some supressors reduce recoil better than others also

Thats exactly what happens, although on his jig no suppressor and a suppressor on move the rifle similar distance, the suppressor has a lighter longer recoil so it feels much less. Id like to see a jig setup with a weight hanging over the front so the recoil of the rifle had to lift a weight, then increase the weight until the recoil couldnt lift the weight, then redo the test for each setup. That would remove the time factor and let us know the exact force that is pushing back into our shoulder.

Saying that, a suppressor will never reduce the recoil as much as a brake

Originally Posted by kiwijames

What a load of bollocks. Most animals Ive shot at range have not known I was there for possibly HOURS. I could put in plugs, walk off the hill, buy ear muffs to wear over top, walk back, have a brew and then shoot the beast.

Muzzle brakes are very practical for open tops shooting and can be managed with good plugs. Anti social yes, but I'm sure a deer would consider it the height of good manners if you made it deaf rather than drove a few 100 grains of lead through its shoulders.

With all due respects after being a victim of some arrogant inconsiderate prick with a muzzle brake on his rifle as far as I am concerned they are not welcome around me full stop.

Originally Posted by hunter308

With all due respects after being a victim of some arrogant inconsiderate prick with a muzzle brake on his rifle as far as I am concerned they are not welcome around me full stop.

Try not having your head next to the brake when someone shoots


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Originally Posted by hunter308

With all due respects after being a victim of some arrogant inconsiderate prick with a muzzle brake on his rifle as far as I am concerned they are not welcome around me full stop.

Did you let your mate take a shot using your shoulder for a rest? One usually only gets to do this once. If it happened at the range, you should have been muffed and glassed up anyway.