Thread: 308 vs 7mm08 all rounder?

@Mauser308 the 7mm BC are much better than the 308. It is BC that effects wind drift, not bullet weight. A 160 gr 7mm will have a similar BC to a 200gr 308 and will have similar wind drift.

@William that is a very valid point. I guess by reloading we can stretch the envelope somewhat however.

We can argue this one 'til the cows come home, then leave again.

FWIW @Hunty1, the best thing I ever did to my Tikka .308 was cut it from 22" to 18", suppress it, and go from 150gr to 165gr. It shot good before, but now its a handier carbine with heavier hitting killing power out to whatever you're confident shooting. It's knocked over a few reds between 300-350m, and has taken over now as the goto rifle for hill country deer. Thing is, the hill country borders the forest...

What I like about the .308 Win the most is that I can carry the normal 165gr ammo for standard 100-400m shooting, duck into the bush for some stealthy action with 151gr subs if the opportunity arises, and if I get onto a batchelor mob of reds in the woods and a chance for a really heavy, close range red stag, slip in a 180gr RN ProHunter... And the BDC reticle takes care of the rest.

Its such a versatile cartridge, the .308 Winchester.

@Flyblown makes alot of sense. Never have run 165's in my 308 but have taken game out to 350m and punched paper to about 450 with 150gr (was still sub MOA at 450).

Curious as to your reasoning to go 18" rather than the often touted magic 16"? You want the slightly higher MV or find the balance better at 18"?

16" is a bit too loud for me, even suppressed, 18" is do-able with a good suppressor and no ear protection as long as its open country. As soon as you're in heavy timber though, look out. Yes velocity is a consideration. I run the 165gr Speers at 2,550fps and am happy with the drops and killing power. I ran the numbers for the shorter barrel and that 50-75fps loss up front counts for a shit load downrange. You start to run into unburnt powder problems if you're not careful, with the 16" and shorter.

Having said that, I was impressed by what some of the guys are doing with short, fast twist .308s, with heavy 200gr+ bullets. For me though, the 180gr ProHunter does the job no problem, proper heavy deer bullet that.

Hunty1 has a tough decision to make. I bumped into him at the range on Saturday, both rifles shooting very well indeed.

If I was wanting a really a good "all-rounder", I'd keep the 7mm08. Not because 7mm is "better" than .308, just the rifle is in a better configuration for what, as I understand it, Hunty1 is trying to achieve.

You will always be left wondering what being a full man feels like if you go 708

Originally Posted by Gibo

You will always be left wondering what being a full man feels like if you go 708

Haha true gibo! will having a 280 retain any of my manliness? Or do I need a .30cal to feel complete?

Originally Posted by Gibo

You will always be left wondering what being a full man feels like if you go 708

Ouch.

Originally Posted by Gibo

You will always be left wondering what being a full man feels like if you go 708

If it only takes a .308 to give one the feeling of being a full man then I must be in the super hero class.

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

If it only takes a .308 to give one the feeling of being a full man then I must be in the super hero class.

Sounds like you have taken it too far......its a fine line this man stuff

Originally Posted by DavidGunn

If it only takes a .308 to give one the feeling of being a full man then I must be in the super hero class.

That’s overcompensating for something


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Personally id go with the 20" 7mm-08.

I think the fact that the .308 only has a 16" barrel moves it away from being an-all rounder, and into a slightly more close range/bush gun category.
The 20" 7mm on the other hand could really be considered an all-rounder.

Originally Posted by ChrisW

Personally id go with the 20" 7mm-08.

I think the fact that the .308 only has a 16" barrel moves it away from being an-all rounder, and into a slightly more close range/bush gun category.
The 20" 7mm on the other hand could really be considered an all-rounder.

I dont think you know what you are talking about What is not all round about a rifle that can smoke shit to 500 and be short and light?

Originally Posted by Gibo

I dont think you know what you are talking about What is not all round about a rifle that can smoke shit to 500 and be short and light?

The 20" 7mm will do that, and be slightly better ballistically.
It'l probably be shorter or at least comparable in length to a 16" + suppressor as well.

Personally ill take a couple extra inches of barrel over a suppressor. Sure you could shoot the 16" with no suppressor to equal or better the handyness of the 20" 7mm, but then you are left with something that is brutally loud and still not as efficient ballistically.
Whatever floats your boat. Everything is a trade off.