Thread: 357 and 44 mag for deer?

Originally Posted by Cordite

Leaving aside shot placement etc....

For hunting on DOC land you are LEGALLY restricted to minimum .222 Remington, the lowest muzzle energy of which listed on Wikipedia is 1,141 ft/lbs muzzle energy.

The .357 Magnum according to Wikipedia is 583 ft/lbs muzzle energy but that is out of only a 4" barrel, maybe even a revolver.

Don't know how powerful a hot .357 load through a continuous 16" barrel will be, but it looks doable.

It's a restriction based on calibre, not muzzle energy

Originally Posted by Beavis

It's a restriction based on calibre, not muzzle energy

Correct. Esp seeing as pretty much any subsonic would be banned as v^2 matters bigly

Originally Posted by Cordite

Leaving aside shot placement etc....

For hunting on DOC land you are LEGALLY restricted to minimum .222 Remington, the lowest muzzle energy of which listed on Wikipedia is 1,141 ft/lbs muzzle energy.

The .357 Magnum according to Wikipedia is 583 ft/lbs muzzle energy but that is out of only a 4" barrel, maybe even a revolver.

Don't know how powerful a hot .357 load through a continuous 16" barrel will be, but it looks doable.

Originally Posted by Beavis

It's a restriction based on calibre, not muzzle energy

I had read long ago that .30 Carbine was not allowed on DOC land by reason of being underpowered, I recall at the time thinking that was a shame. Of course does not matter any more...

From the site:
"7.
Only centre fire rifles of calibre .222 Remington or larger may be used for hunting or crossbows and bows that meet the minimum standard specified by DOC (see: Bow and cross bow hunting). Shotguns, rimfire rifles, 22 hornet calibre, tracer and incendiary type ammunition are strictly prohibited under this Permit."

Both .222 Remington and .22 Hornet use 5.7mm bullets. The DOC regulation above is written by someone not familiar with firearms (like the somewhat nonsense term ".22 Hornet calibre") and really could do with being rewritten, but the exclusion of the (centrefire) .22 Hornet indicates DOC's intent is to exclude lower powered rifles from hunting use on DOC land.

Originally Posted by Cordite

I had read long ago that .30 Carbine was not allowed on DOC land by reason of being underpowered, I recall at the time thinking that was a shame. Of course does not matter any more...

From the site:
"7.
Only centre fire rifles of calibre .222 Remington or larger may be used for hunting or crossbows and bows that meet the minimum standard specified by DOC (see: Bow and cross bow hunting). Shotguns, rimfire rifles, 22 hornet calibre, tracer and incendiary type ammunition are strictly prohibited under this Permit."

Both .222 Remington and .22 Hornet use 5.7mm bullets. The DOC regulation above is written by someone not familiar with firearms (like the somewhat nonsense term ".22 Hornet calibre") and really could do with being rewritten, but the exclusion of the (centrefire) .22 Hornet indicates DOC's intent is to exclude lower powered rifles from hunting use on DOC land.

They are silly. If we were to go down the road of energy being the main component of what is allowed for harvesting game on the conservation estate, you would need to look at your ballistics chart and not shoot at deer past a certain distance. It was clearer when they simply restricted it to center fire rifles. Goats are covered under an open area hunting permit, and a .22 Hornet is perfectly sufficient for shooting them. As well as deer when used sensibly. I don't know who came up with that idea.

Originally Posted by Cordite

I had read long ago that .30 Carbine was not allowed on DOC land by reason of being underpowered, I recall at the time thinking that was a shame. Of course does not matter any more...

From the site:
"7.
Only centre fire rifles of calibre .222 Remington or larger may be used for hunting or crossbows and bows that meet the minimum standard specified by DOC (see: Bow and cross bow hunting). Shotguns, rimfire rifles, 22 hornet calibre, tracer and incendiary type ammunition are strictly prohibited under this Permit."

Both .222 Remington and .22 Hornet use 5.7mm bullets. The DOC regulation above is written by someone not familiar with firearms (like the somewhat nonsense term ".22 Hornet calibre") and really could do with being rewritten, but the exclusion of the (centrefire) .22 Hornet indicates DOC's intent is to exclude lower powered rifles from hunting use on DOC land.

The intention of this calibre restriction has nothing to do with qualifying what firearm may be used for deer hunting, DOC do not care what we shoot deer with and this exclusion is not a direction regarding any calibers suitability for deer hunting. It's specific intention is to exclude rimfires, and the nearest centrefire cartridge that will perform like a rimfire, from DOC lands to stop people from using them to shoot native birds. (The mention of incendiary and tracer ammunition is self explanatory.)