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Im not saying anything...
must be tough being a gun writer at times, your editor asks/tells you do to do a pointless comparison like this one with 1,000 words . . . need another coffee
"I’m certain that the 156 and 160-grain bullets would be stabilized by the 1:8″ twist of the Creedmoor’s barrels, but I’ve yet to see a factory load utilizing either of those bullet weights, and that sort of limits the versatility of the cartridge"
Lol what
Those long 6.5 160 gr bullets would no doubt give the 160-175 gr 7mm bullet a run for there money. We all know the 6.5 is a proven moose killer.
The long 7's have killed elephants ( as well as the long 6.5's ,yes)
I started reading in good faith but never got past this.
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I dont think I'll jump in and buy a creedmore if you have one of those AR type rifles maybe, I'll stick to the 260 in Rem mod 7.
I read the two calibers in the topic line. So I read on and hoped, I’ll never own another in either ever again.
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Graham Henry did an article back in late 80s/early 90s titled "why not the .308"...Ive still got the rod n rifle mag its in somewhere
he made some really good points about how gun writers are constantly trying this or that yet old faithful sitting in the corner can do the job just as well with no fuss or bother.
I started with a open sighted 30/30 then swapped it for a bolt action .270...Ive used that rifle for 30 years now and it doesnt let me down....yes Ive got other rifles..a .223 for wallabies that keeps tipping over pigs n the odd deer..a super short 7.62x39mm BHSR and finally a bolt action .308 which is pretty much a duplicate of the poohseventy...its just diferent.
some guys get married to a woman and stick together for life...... not a lot different really,its often the devil you know that is best .
Yep, I'm not ever going to sell my Sako 75 Finnlight in pooseventy as my main hunting rifle, I'll keep on boring people and animals to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I too will occasionally use my Sako 75 .223 and an AR in .223 or 6.5 Grendel to mix it up, but the roar gun is always the .270.
Why do so many 270 owners get all defensive and have to tell everyone about their 270 whenever someone mentions a different calibre?
Ask Toby he’ll tell you why.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
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The 270 is one of the greats there is no doubting that, could be the reason we like to make sure it don't get a bad rap. There are a lot of good caliber so out there and it's nice to pick and choose which one to use, makes life interesting I reckon.
Because they are like vegans....have to tell us even tho no-one even asked:P:DQuote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
Thats the Creed more.....Quote:
Originally Posted by wsm junkie
Most of those calibres are similar bullets traveling similar speeds doing similar damage. The biggest difference is some people dont like to be the same but like to fit in so they get different but the same....
some guys get married to a woman and stick together for life...... not a lot different really,its often the devil you know that is best .[/QUOTE]
I agree and I think in a lot of cases there are the big three in NZ that do most of the game taking , 270 , 7.08 , 308. My local H&F shop said those are the big three sellers weather new or used.
I don't see the gun industry producing anything revolutionary in 40 plus over years, it's just marketing old products that have been tweaked and supposedly improved. You can spend a lot of time and money believing the hype and marketing only to achieve the same result as you basically got with the old faithful.
The old calibers like 270 , 30-06, 6.5 swede , 7 mm mauser kill as well today as they did 100 yrs ago.
From the gun industries point of view I guess it's about the next best thing and the bottom line is it's all about the bottom line. The Creedmore is a classic case, just a 6.5 swede with a tit job and lippie.....really nothing new. Improved ??
As for 270 owners..................
6.5 Creedmoor was specifically developed for precision shooting and has been around since 2007. It was designed to get the best possible case life, accuracy and ballistic efficiency out of a .308 sized action. A hunting cartridge was never at the forefront of it's creation, it just works really well as one.Quote:
I agree and I think in a lot of cases there are the big three in NZ that do most of the game taking , 270 , 7.08 , 308. My local H&F shop said those are the big three sellers weather new or used.
I don't see the gun industry producing anything revolutionary in 40 plus over years, it's just marketing old products that have been tweaked and supposedly improved. You can spend a lot of time and money believing the hype and marketing only to achieve the same result as you basically got with the old faithful.
The old calibers like 270 , 30-06, 6.5 swede , 7 mm mauser kill as well today as they did 100 yrs ago.
From the gun industries point of view I guess it's about the next best thing and the bottom line is it's all about the bottom line. The Creedmore is a classic case, just a 6.5 swede with a tit job and lippie.....really nothing new. Improved ??
As for 270 owners..................
Well, the CM is improved in that it provides the masses with well priced factory ammo, longer bullet seating for reloaders than the .260 and relatively inexpensive rifles that shoot very accurately.Quote:
Originally Posted by viper
here they are ;)
Yeah thats the thing the creedmore has managed to do that neither the swede nor the 260 has, and that is capture the attention of the greater american public. Having a efficient short action 6.5 with actual decent factory ammo options is a legitimate good thing I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10-Ring
In 10 years time the old heads will be talking about how there's nothing wrong with the 6.5 cm and why are people bothering to invent new calibers like the 277 hayabusa turbo.
Here's my take on it.
If we compare the 308, 7mm08 and 6.5CM or 260.
The 308 hits harder at normal hunting ranges, the 6.5 has a flatter trajectory and less wind drift, the 7mm08 sits right in the middle.
Choose your poison based on that.
Question, can a 260 be reamed to CM, on a mod 7 action. Not that im making the move but curious.
The Cm case is shorter than a 260 so the chamber end of the barrel would have to be cut, barrel re-threaded then reamed
Capturing the attention of the greater american public isn't a great endorsement ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
Your barrel is short enough now @Gibo You would need to chop at least an inch to rechamber correctly. You could pump up what you have, as @Uplandstalker did ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
It's re-inventing the wheel, it's tit's and lippy.
Sure it doe's what it is designed for but it's an improvement and the gun makers and ammo factories love it as it energises the market and pushes sales.
Like I said the bottom line is the bottom line.
I am not hating on the CM, it's a fine round no doubt.
Hey @Gibo - I took a 260Rem Model 7 and poked @Mathias 260 30 degree (like a 6.5 CM but about 3mm longer case body) reamer down it. Set the whole thing back an entire neck length in the process. So now have this in a 19.5" barrel and have been shooting it for a could of years now and love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathias
Perhaps not, but it does mean we get a variety of easily accesable quality factory ammo options. This is a first for any of the 6.5's. Big win for the average shooter imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shamus
Anyone who has spent time behind a 260, 6.5 cm or Swede knows just how good a medium power 6.5 is, and know we have a universally adopted one.
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I just hate the mag box length of the mod 7Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
You can replace the bottom metal and use AI mags in a Model 7. I just received my PT&G bottom metal. This means I'll be shooting a Model 7 at the Mountain Challenge in Wanaka come March.
Comparing the two, not sure.
More appropriate to maybe compare similar case sized 6.5x55 Scandinavian (let's call it "6.5mm08") with 7mm08.
Sorry, can't think, have to go get something for my lunch.
Get a Tikka. 260 you won't regret it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
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Sako, maybe, heavy lumps butQuote:
Originally Posted by 25/08IMP
But they shoot just like a Tikka if you are lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
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Classic!
You wimped out on your Sako 260 for another Lemington :D I know what I'd sooner have....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
@superdiver ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 25/08IMP
McDonalds did that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Shamus
So did the 270Quote:
Originally Posted by 6x47
Yeah just buy a cheap shitty tikka and chop the barrel to 18". 143gr eldx at 2800fps+ and sub MOA with the right load. Peel a 270 anyday!