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Had my renewal vetting this morning, and after all the serious stuff we moved on to watching videos of people firing the .600 Nitro. Anyone got one of these monsters? How much does ammo cost? Anyone hit a deer with one, and if so was there much salvagable meat left?
That wimpy thing. Not a patch on the 700 Nitro that came out a few years back. Regarding the 600 nitro if you have to ask how much the ammo costs you can't afford it. It fires a 900 grain projectile at around 1,900 fps so meat damage would not be too bad as likely only solids were available. Damage to your shoulder would be something else. Bigger calibres were available in the black powder era with Baker using a 2 bore (a little over an inch dia). The powder charge was obscene.
GPM.
I definetly can't afford it. Can't afford a broken shoulder or collar bone either.Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
just get a 50 cal way more fun
But none of the mystique that a .600 Nitro has....
Where's @40mm when we are talking about obscene powder charges haha
Greetings All,
This post has me thinking about recoil, or more on the declining amount of recoil that I can tolerate. I shot a lot of the local NZDA target shoots with my old Remington ADL in .308 with full power loads and a hard plastic butt plate. After I fitted a Hogue stock I gave the old one to a friend that liked the rifle and the old stock was fitted to his .308 barrelled action. It now has a rubber butt pad, a much heavier scope and a bipod. To be honest I found the recoil of even the 150 grain loads I was testing for him demanding even shooting from a bench seated. I suppose it is just getting old. Over time I dialled back the loads with my .308 for target shooting and then changed to a .223. My .308 now has a suppressor so that must help as well. As for firing a 600 Nitro or a two bore, no thanks. I will just watch from a safe distance.
Regards Grandpamac.
Biggest I've fired is a brno in 500 Jeffrey that @Friwi brought to the first big bore shoot held in taranaki. 535 gr fmj at 2400 fps makes for robust recoil. There was a video of a small ginger person firing it.
I've got a 500 3 inch black powder express and that's not too uncomfortable @akaroa1 is looking at making a single shot "super snider" based on the 577 nitro case. He's calculated the recoil at 60 ft lbs
Biggest I've fired is a brno in 500 Jeffrey that @Friwi brought to the first big bore shoot held in taranaki. 535 gr fmj at 2400 fps makes for robust recoil. There was a video of a small ginger person firing it.
I've got a 500 3 inch black powder express and that's stout with 120 grains of 2f and a 450 grain bullet but not too uncomfortable. @akaroa1 is looking at making a single shot "super snider" based on the 577 nitro case. He's calculated the recoil at 60 ft lbs.
Double posted instead of edit
Biggest I have fired is a 505 Gibbs.
I was expecting more of a push but got a hefty boot instead. At $US30 a round I declined another shot ..... and that was 20 years ago.....
get your self a 12 gauge and shoot a small deer say a fallow with it using a solid slug that will be close to it - most of us just want to hear the story as we cant be bothered with that kind of nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
Yeah nah. Not for me guys
But a quick crunch of the numbers
Jeffery 16 pound 600 Double, 900 grain projectile, 1900 FPS EQUALS 110 to 120 Foot Pounds of recoil
The 577 3" BPE I'm building at 12 pounds would produce 60 Foot Pounds recoil
@Marty Henry and my 500 3" BPEs produce about 30 Foot Pounds recoil
A puny 308 produces a mere 15 Foot Pounds
There's a 600 Nitro Express Double that was brought from Canterbury recently and now lives somewhere in the CNI
Loaded factory ammo looks to go about $50 US to $70 US PER ROUND So $100 to 150 NZ PER ROUND
That's probably cheap compared to the costs involved with the broken collar bone
ACC covers sporting injuries !!
Even when a clear mental health condition was a precursor ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventy Six
You would clearly have to be mad
You would want to of a fairly sturdy stature , definitely not for a weed like me
I had one in my hands the other week, serial number was “1”, very rare and very expensive. First one to be made for this round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
Wack some nitro in it and it’s like chalk and cheese:O_O:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
I've shot 2 cattle beasts and a deer with the 416 remington.
350 barnes x points at a guess maybe 2200fps tops. They aren't an explosive bullet but drove well. Nothing spectacular damage wise.
Got some 340 woodleighs that easily do between 2500 and 2700fps.
Quite a bit stouter on the shoulder and generate 70 odd ftlbs recoil.
Haven't shot anything with those loads.
Even the expandy bullets aren't that expands so doubt a 600 would do anything other than drive that calibre hole In and out on a deer
Some big numbers here , out of John Taylor’s book.
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shotguns arent normally too bad..until you shoot one prone.... but the remington hypersonic loads take them back into naaasty territory ,really wouldnt want to try it in a break open gun. 1 1/4oz going 1700fps boots at both ends.
I was wondering how that compared to shotgun slug loads. Some of those are absolutely brutal, worse than anything else I've shot.
I shot a pump action with slugs in the prone position.
And i'm a skinny dude, it was'nt too nice after a dozen shots.....
Casually strolls into the conversation when it suits him.....Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Im a few years off shooting my B.P. 40mm.......
Kinda on the lookout for a 20mm OE barrel to add to the 'round tuit' list......,
Hi just a correction, it was a 505 Gibbs that I brought at the Naki shoot. 600 gr behind 134 gr of powder , and that is the starting load.
Now here is the very fun fact : I had been told that rifle had a mercury recoil reduction device in the stock. And a couple of weeks ago an acquaintance of mine met the original owner. Due to some legal importation restrictions, the mercury recoil device had been removed. So whoever shot my gun on that big bore shoot day could have appreciated the full power of the Gibbs
Thank you for the correction, I couldn't remember exactly the calibre apart from the 5 at the start.
https://youtu.be/mvWuPbDSTYo?si=ZFLCcLq2lQdTn-qo
600NE in action
@<u><a href="https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/member.php?u=21804" target="_blank">EmpireSafaris</a></u> @<u><a href="https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/member.php?u=21804" target="_blank">EmpireSafaris</a></u>Quote:
Originally Posted by EmpireSafaris
Got one in your collection yet ? :D;)
@<u><a href="https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/member.php?u=21804" target="_blank">EmpireSafaris</a></u>Quote:
Originally Posted by EmpireSafaris
Got one in your collection yet ? ;):D
Huh? You could import the firearm but not the liquid metal filled inertia damping device in the stock? Just wow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
Liquid mercury is quite a nasty thing.
Decent bluing solutions might as well be uranium and can't be imported.
Something with a reasonable amount of mercury much the same.
Even if it is strong enough to handle massive amounts of recoil
It’s very nice and extremely expense, been residing with a mate of mine. The original?Quote:
Originally Posted by akaroa1
[QUOTE=Maca49;1578862]It’s very nice and extremely expensive, been residing with a mate of mine. The original?
