Thread: 6mm Creedmoor vs 243

so here is a question out of left field for you (or should that be right field if I am as been told a right wing red neck??) you asked about heavier projectiles...was this for bigger whallop on animals at bush ranges out to say 150 yards??? or were you hopeing for slightly heavier to try to stretch the range out a bit more????

because if its the first....there are actually some very very effective 100grn offerings out there in round nose form.... Tony Orman was a EBRG fan and his theory was smash the shoulders to anchor animal and allow that little pill to dump all its energy inside animal.....nearly 40 years of shooting stuff I cannot in anyway fault his logic.
I dont use an EBRG but do use the mighty .270winchester......using 130grn loadings the ONLY time animals have moved after being shot is when Ive failed to take out the front wheels...... we live and learn,and hopefully dont repeat same mistake twice...other learned folks will slip explosive projectile in tight to shoulder into "the crease" area pulping lungs and damaging less meat....great when angle of animal is slightly away from you and you have patience to make it happen right or let animal walk....same as using .223 pick your shots if using fragile projectile....or neck shoot.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so here is a question out of left field for you (or should that be right field if I am as been told a right wing red neck??) you asked about heavier projectiles...was this for bigger whallop on animals at bush ranges out to say 150 yards??? or were you hopeing for slightly heavier to try to stretch the range out a bit more????

because if its the first....there are actually some very very effective 100grn offerings out there in round nose form.... Tony Orman was a EBRG fan and his theory was smash the shoulders to anchor animal and allow that little pill to dump all its energy inside animal.....nearly 40 years of shooting stuff I cannot in anyway fault his logic.
I dont use an EBRG but do use the mighty .270winchester......using 130grn loadings the ONLY time animals have moved after being shot is when Ive failed to take out the front wheels...... we live and learn,and hopefully dont repeat same mistake twice...other learned folks will slip explosive projectile in tight to shoulder into "the crease" area pulping lungs and damaging less meat....great when angle of animal is slightly away from you and you have patience to make it happen right or let animal walk....same as using .223 pick your shots if using fragile projectile....or neck shoot.

Hoping for more whallop slightly further out and better sd but I see your point, may end up dual loading yet.

Yes shot placement is key, I'm more in favor of the more forward shoulder shot, has served me well with the rem mag and 162 ELD-X bullet penetrates to off side skin on deer, dumping all energy and turning out the lights. Will see what shoots the best and go from there

Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum

Hoping for more whallop slightly further out

Why not just keep the 7mm08 you have for sale and use that instead of a 6mm anything?

Originally Posted by GWH

Why not just keep the 7mm08 you have for sale and use that instead of a 6mm anything?

More wallop than the lighter bullets

I've still got the barrel, rifle is off the market now as the 243 barrel will go on it. I've got the big 7mm mag for way out long and this will be for 0-300, probably.

I guess because why not?

Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum

More wallop than the lighter bullets

I've still got the barrel, rifle is off the market now as the 243 barrel will go on it. I've got the big 7mm mag for way out long and this will be for 0-300, probably.

I guess because why not?

So is the goal of the exercise of swapping from 7mm08 to 243 just to reduce recoil? You handload dont you? You could have just used a 120gr in the 7mm08 and used lighter powder charges, to reduce the recoil to a similar level to the 243.

For example, ive just finalised a lighter load for my 8 year old boy to shoot my bitsa Model 7 6.5CM. I used 123 gr eldm's (left over from when i briefly owned a 6.5 Grendel) Ive downloaded them to Grendel speeds essentially. 30gr of powder pushing them at 2570 fps. It has seriously mild recoil, prints a 3 shot group at 100 measuring .35 inch and should hold more energy to 300 yards than your average 243 win load, and once he grows and can tollerate more recoil i can increase the loads.

Originally Posted by GWH

So is the goal of the exercise of swapping from 7mm08 to 243 just to reduce recoil? You handload dont you? You could have just used a 120gr in the 7mm08 and used lighter powder charges, to reduce the recoil to a similar level to the 243.

For example, ive just finalised a lighter load for my 8 year old boy to shoot my bitsa Model 7 6.5CM. I used 123 gr eldm's (left over from when i briefly owned a 6.5 Grendel) Ive downloaded them to Grendel speeds essentially. 30gr of powder pushing them at 2570 fps. It has seriously mild recoil, prints a 3 shot group at 100 measuring .35 inch and should hold more energy to 300 yards than your average 243 win load, and once he grows and can tollerate more recoil i can increase the loads.

I see where you're going, and I do have a load developed with 120 VMAX for this rifle and most of a box of them on the shelf. But I've wanted a 243 for about a year and finally decided I would have a go at getting one.

You're right, I could just have one rifle that does it all, (my rem mag gets plenty of love and I take it on expensive trips) but where's the fun in that? A 308 would do it all, but I sold mine so I could buy a shotgun and shoot ducks. Maybe I'll end up selling this as a 7 mill o latte and get a 308 again, keep the 243 barrel, who knows.

Reloading is my hobby, I find it all fascinating, my wife and most of my friends not so much ha ha

I want to learn about a caliber I have no experience with and with a bit of luck and some good shot placement, even put some meat in the freezer in the process.

Plus the barrel swap on its own should occupy my mind for a while at least

Then again, maybe a meth habit would be cheaper

Originally Posted by Rated M for Magnum

I see where you're going, and I do have a load developed with 120 VMAX for this rifle and most of a box of them on the shelf. But I've wanted a 243 for about a year and finally decided I would have a go at getting one.

You're right, I could just have one rifle that does it all, (my rem mag gets plenty of love and I take it on expensive trips) but where's the fun in that? A 308 would do it all, but I sold mine so I could buy a shotgun and shoot ducks. Maybe I'll end up selling this as a 7 mill o latte and get a 308 again, keep the 243 barrel, who knows.

Reloading is my hobby, I find it all fascinating, my wife and most of my friends not so much ha ha

I want to learn about a caliber I have no experience with and with a bit of luck and some good shot placement, even put some meat in the freezer in the process.

Plus the barrel swap on its own should occupy my mind for a while at least

Then again, maybe a meth habit would be cheaper

Greetings Rated M for Magnum,
I think your post above says it all. The rifles and the handloading is a journey for you as well as me. Destinations, once achieved, morph into new ones so the journey, fortunately, has no end. Enjoy it.
Regards Grandpamac.