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Just curious to hear how the wee 6mm creed goes as a hunting cartridge. The good, the bad? Limitations, effective killing distances, recoil.. etc. Preferably from people who use it.
Is it your go to caliber for all medium game?
Contemplating building one.
Cheers guys.
Following with interest :thumbsup:
Also interested in hearing about real world barrel life , not the PRC crowd who burn down barrels by firing 10 or more rounds in 90 seconds time after time all day long , but in more of a hunting usage / ownership scenario .
Ballistic twin to the 243 Winchester
Sure. Apart from the twist rates. The creed obviously has the advantage of being a shorter case making the 108gr eldm more viable in a short action. And that most 243s twist rates can't handle much over 90gr. Was just interested to hear how the 108s deal to animals. Cheers
The new sako 1/8 twist 243 will be a bit of a game changer.Quote:
Originally Posted by SIX5ENZD
I can't wait till tikka roll out the 6cm
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Are tikka making a 6mm creed?Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Does make me wonder how the c.o.l with the 108 will work in the short action 243s though.
I have one "in build" now, it's been on the go for a while. It started as a 6 ARC but in talking with Greg from Custom Guns one day he allowed that running a bigger cartridge "cool" is much better than a small one going hot. I've had a good run with the ARC on game running 103s at 2880 ( and yes that a very hot brass destroying load) but when a short length "custom" action came up at a price and time I could afford it made much more sense to pull the ARC barrel and open it out to 6CM.
The extra "easily obtained" 150-200 fps (with consequent energy boost) will extend my effective hunting range from 350ish with the ARC to over 500M with no weight penalty, and probably similar barrel life. Brass life is also a lot better, easier and cheaper. At the expense of about 20 gns of bulk 2209 per shot (so effectively cost neutral on the ARC powder).
The Zermatt action I have is just so much smoother and refined than any of the mini alternatives like Howa's and CZ's it a no brainer to me. It'll go into a readily obtainable Remmy carbon stock at no practical weight penalty over a mini.
I run 108 ELDM's in my 243 Short action with 1:8 barrel at around 3000 fps. No issue with length, I load at max mag length of around 2.8x" 72-73mm.
Lot of US target shooters run these faster.
nb berger 87 gr hunters also shoot really well but I could not get the 105gr VLD hunters to group as well as I would have liked.
So I can say the 108 gr's kill Fallow and goats and red hinds & spikers. last fallow at 120mt walking up hill away from me bullet went through hip ball joint, paunch, liver, lung, brisket, I found the base under the skin at the front of the chest.
For side on shots on goats I feel they get half way through before they start to open up so if I was only shooting goats I would go back to the 87 gr vld's
Hope this helps re bullet performance.
Z
NB I'm sure I could run them up to 3100 fps but I don't need too. Some of the new powders have breathed new life into heavy for caliber projectiles. Hodgdon list >2970 fps for 115 gr in 243.
When? Like politicians lotsa talking no action.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
I rate the 6CM! I ran a number of powder ladder tests in excess of 3100fps with Berger Hybrid 105’s and never hit pressure (26” barrel). Just choose a powder weight for the velocity you want and run with it. I ran mine at 2850fps and squeezed 2300 rounds out of my barrel (which is unheard of), but had to nurse it from about 1800 onwards.
Your issue might be in finding Lapua SRP brass though. But if you do, I got 7-8 reloads with no issue and then passed it onto a mate who has put another 3-4 reloads on it so far.
That's a rambling mess isn't itQuote:
Originally Posted by TeRei
I worked on a brand new tikka t3x super light today in 243, and that one had the 1 in 8” twist barrel.
The 6.5 creedmoor mag from tikka is an M+, so slightly longer than a normal 308 , so that is one solution to seat the bullets a bit further on the 243 case ( short of using an L mag for the 270w). Of course the bolt stop might need a bit of tweaking or swapping over with a long action one.
Interesting. What action is it? And what length barrel are you running?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZQLewis
That's pretty impressive speeds.
I learnt to hunt with the stout little 243 so I still toy with idea of getting another one. I wish tikka would hurry up and bring the 1 in 8 .243 into NZ. I just assumed the 6mm creedmoore was the new improved version of the 243. But maybe I'm wrong. I have a 22-250 and a 7mm08 I'm thinking of selling and building some sort of fast twist 6mm. The do all caliber as they say. How does the 108 go on stags during the roar? Thanks for your input.
So the 1 in 8 tikka 243 is finally here! That's great. Would be the cheaper option. Thanks for the infoQuote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
I have a Tikka T3x .243win with a factory 1:8 twist barrel. It is left handed and two were bought into the country late last year. I am using the 108 ELD-M from the standard 22.4" barrel @2830fps (measured). It is definitely not a hot load.
So far reds and chamois have fallen to it at ranges between 120 and 377 yards. Nothing to complain about the bullet performance although none were huge animals.
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With Chris Fisher carbon stock. 3kgs all up.
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108 ELD-M loaded to 2.8" next to Nosler 90gn BT factory load.
Tikkas are all long actions so no issue theirQuote:
Originally Posted by SIX5ENZD
The lands are the limits, unless custom throated a tad longer.
I use the 6CM as my main thermal rifle
Built on a Kimber hunter 22" barrel with Hammer 69 AH at 3900 fps & change
Point & shoot right out to 350 yards, extremely effective with little to no recoil
Its a little light for decent size pigs but amazing efficient on deer
SRP Lapua brass is fantastic
Barnard SM action AI mag and a 24" Trueflite barrel. Never shot a roar stag with the 108's but any shot into the chest will destroy heart and lungs so they would not go far.Quote:
Originally Posted by SIX5ENZD
ed just checked load data is 46 gr of Reloader 26 and and OAL is 2.83" in Lapua Brass.
Z
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Love my seekins 6cm.
108 at 3000f/s, not hot load at all.
Shot few deer, none took a step. DRT.
Another forum member got it now and sure he's happy.
Those @Fisherman stocks are nice eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
Certainly are:)
So a preliminary report. I had my 6ARC barrel opened up to 6mm CM everything same except chamber. Got a couple of rounds through it at last light today. With the sam 103 gn ELDX Velocity had moved from 2880 (and a very hot load) to 3010 ( albeit max) with no pressure signs at all. The expense - an extra 10 gns of powder. Never as much as yer hope for but usefull none the less.
What barrel length @Tentman
22"
I have a 1:9" .243 so not a creedmore but firing the 105gr targex it takes deer out to 500 easy, longest have been a couple over 600 yards.
Plenty of stags have succumbed to them as well. They are doing 2880fps as my barrel is 18" so will go better in a longer barrel creedmore.
