Am I being a dick?

Need some guidance from the forum.

I just bought a tidy 2nd hand sporterised Brno M98 in 30-06AI. It came with Weaver bases and 30mm rings.

I got it home, swapped the rings out & set up my leupold M8 scope and noticed the scope and the barrel were noticeably misaligned. As in i don’t have enough windage to accomodate it.
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I contacted the shop this morning and advised them of the issue. I sent these photos in.
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I mentioned that a Leupold windage base would probably sort it as it fits the same screw centres. They have come back and said they have them in stock and that I can come and pick them up for $45.

Should I be paying for this, what do you think?

I’ve also had a barreled action project with these guys for what must be a year now, a pretty simple turn the barrel down and install some Recknagel open sights. They lost the original job description, so I talked them that through again...

I have to drive 3 hrs return to see them so I’m a bit hesitant to ‘go & pick them up’.

Take the gun back for a refund, pick up your project as well and go somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by FRST

Need some guidance from the forum.

I just bought a tidy 2nd hand sporterised Brno M98 in 30-06AI. It came with Weaver bases and 30mm rings.

I got it home, swapped the rings out & set up my leupold M8 scope and noticed the scope and the barrel were noticeably misaligned. As in i don’t have enough windage to accomodate it.
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I contacted the shop this morning and advised them of the issue. I sent these photos in.
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I mentioned that a Leupold windage base would probably sort it as it fits the same screw centres. They have come back and said they have them in stock and that I can come and pick them up for $45.

Should I be paying for this, what do you think?

I’ve also had a barreled action project with these guys for what must be a year now, a pretty simple turn the barrel down and install some Recknagel open sights. They lost the original job description, so I talked them that through again...

I have to drive 3 hrs return to see them so I’m a bit hesitant to ‘go & pick them up’.

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No you should not be paying for it. No, you should not have to wait for all that time for a simple job etc etc.

But this is NZ, so it just depends on whether they like you or not. Maybe find someone who likes you more.

If you really like the rifle just do the windage thing but get your project gun back at the same time. It is a secondhand rifle and a bit of care on your part would have prevented the oversight that they probably werent aware of either. If it shits you to tears then ask for a refund.

dealer or pvt sale ?

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

dealer or pvt sale ?

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Dealer

Dont know whether or not you fired it yet; but; many years ago I purchased a brand new Bruno 7*57. The third shot jammed brass and couldnt extract. On close inspection the barrel was misaligned with the reciever. My money was refunded and I purchased a new rifle of different brand as there were no more Bruno available in that calibre at the time. I think your rifle has a serious falt and you should get a full refund.

It looks like the screw holes for the rear base are out of alignment?
If thats the cause and the dealer didn't do the drilling and tapping I personally wouldn't be expecting them to put it right (though many dealers probably would). Secondhand you have to accept some risk, even through a dealer, different story if its a new rifle.

I would be asking them nicely to send you the bases free of charge, if they refuse I would buy them elsewhere.

They are unlikely to have known, but the previous owner would have, offer a compromise if you really like the thing, they send you the bases or you give it back as not fit for purpose and your return costs are billable. You are on the legal high ground, but how much do you like this outfit?, so far enough to tolerate unreasonable delay on a project job.

It looks like the very back one is out of line with the other back one as well.
That would piss me off and if you ever want to sell it, it may come back to bite you.

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Nice looking rifle as with anything second hand theres always a risk does the price reflect the condition

try turning one of the rings around the other way.......it makes a difference.... lovely scope that SHOULD fit like a glove. piss poor service that should be sorted at no charge ASAP.

Is permanent plugging and re-tapping the best option? Seems in good condition otherwise

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Originally Posted by Mauser308

Well, second hand or not - it's not fit for purpose with a major fault affecting the use.

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Even that isn't clear cut - if the original rings lined up okay(ish). I'm assuming it had rings since the OP said they swapped the rings.

I would hope for the sake of $45 the dealer would sort it, especially since to them it's probably only $25.

@FRST ask @gundoc what he thinks?

This looks like a rifle I owned several years ago, built by Din Collings. I used the base and rings that came with it and ran a vx3 scope, lovely shooter. If it has a 24" Shilen barrel and Timney trigger its the same rifle.

Pull the project for sure.a month for a quick job should have been the first warning, losing the paperwork too is a clear sign they're not going to do it. While they might not have known about the misaligned holes, as the dealear it is their responsibility to fix within 3 months of purchase even on second hand as far as I know(maybe that's just cars).

The rear base holes are clearly misaligned. A reputable firm would correct the problem at no charge even if they did not do the job originally. It is not a big or expensive job to repair but does entail a little bit of skill. Plugging and redrilling is a perfectly acceptable method provided it is done properly. As the rear bridge is non-load bearing TIG welding and redrilling is also good, with the same proviso.

Seen a few m98's drilled pissed plenty of parker hales as well.

You are not being a dick

I think you are a very tolerant person FRT. Very unfortunate this has happened to you and a nice looking rifle. I would suggest you go for the refund and pick up your other gear. If they have stuffed you around for so long already without using proper ethics, then things are not likely to be different in the future. Who knows how well the job would be done, or when you would get your new purchase back. Be polite, as i am sure you already have been, and if there is no joy, then tell them you will see them in the consumers court. Good luck mate.

Thats a nice looking rifle! You're not being a dick, but the dealer may never have known that the bases were on the piss, it may have worked perfectly for a previous owner with different rings or windage rings, so the responsibility for fixing it is a grey area as it is second hand. As gundoc said it can be fixed relatively easy by the right person, a little time and a little cash and all good. Or you could get the holes milled to a larger size, as properly done in a mill it should be able to be held on centre, buy another base or a blank base and have the larger holes made in that as well. I like those older classic wood blued rifles, and they look tidy with Weaver rings and the older Leupold M8 scopes, so I would be taking it to a competent gunsmith and getting it put right to use Weaver rings. And I'd be pulling my project rifle from the dealer and taking it to a competent gunsmith as well.

The easy/practical fix is to get some Burris Signature rings and use some offset inserts positioned horizontally to fix the alignment.

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I recently had a project where they took a few months and lost the original job specs. Unfortunately they proceeded with specs they made up. They offered to redo it from scratch but could never come through with it. It was a case of good men in a company with shoddy governance and systems. Fortunately one employee got onto it and said " come around we need to give you your gun back as is".

Anyway, losing the job sheet is a fatal sign for the project and you have to pull it before they start any work.

Regarding the brno, ask yourself why you bought it and that will give you the answer.

Tough one. I would be pulling the project now and finding some one else.
However also note the Gun smiths being busy with pinning mags etc just now.
The second hand Bruno, I'm sort of in the buyer beware camp buy worth asking them anyway. They take it back or sell you a mount at a special price.
Is it possible the scope you fitted is short of travel compared to whatever was previous on the rilfe.

I brought a Sav99 a couple of years back with a dodgy mount screw that I did not pickup.
Sent it for a re-barrel and they picked it up. Can't remember if they plugged and re-tapped or just took it up a screw size and re-tapped.
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@FRST what happened in the end?

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Originally Posted by Tahr

@FRST what happened in the end?

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Got the Leupold base with the windage screw. Sorted the whole windage deal. I’ll probably be paying for it when I pick up the other project, but who knows, maybe they’ll come to the party.

The rifle shoots well. The forend was a little long so I trimmed it back and installed a rosewood tip.

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man that just looks the shit!!!!!! is yours duplex or post and rail??? my one the same is post n rail,you are going to love using that in the bush/close range stuff.

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

man that just looks the shit!!!!!! is yours duplex or post and rail??? my one the same is post n rail,you are going to love using that in the bush/close range stuff.

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It’s got a relatively rare reticle, halfway between a fine crosshair and the duplex. It’s hard to beat an M8 on a Mauser for looks.