Any one have there B-cat?

P38 you are a perfect example of someone who doesn't give a shit about anyone but yourself.

Hunting won't attract undesirable people, using a pistol unsupervised will.
Tell me where pistols are needed in hunting?
You can't fire pull a rifle out of your waistband and fire one handed effectively with 17 rounds.

You say why punish law abiding citizens for what criminals do, why punish enforcement officers and society because you want to go shoot animals in the bush with a pistol instead of a rifle?

I'm not saying criminals don't already have handguns, but why make it easier for them by allowing people to use pistols in the public eye?

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P38 you are a perfect example of someone who doesn't give a shit about anyone but yourself.

Hunting won't attract undesirable people, using a pistol unsupervised will.
Tell me where pistols are needed in hunting?
You can't fire pull a rifle out of your waistband and fire one handed effectively with 17 rounds.

You say why punish law abiding citizens for what criminals do, why punish enforcement officers and society because you want to go shoot animals in the bush with a pistol instead of a rifle?

I'm not saying criminals don't already have handguns, but why make it easier for them by allowing people to use pistols in the public eye?

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Are you in government by any chance? With all that logic behind your argument, Did you not read anything anyone else has said !!!!!!!!!!!

You have no grounds on this argument, These guys seem to know what there doing they have given decent logical evidence to support their claims, you keep saying the same old shit.

There is examples of uses for hunting, its like your not reading anything.

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P38 you are a perfect example of someone who doesn't give a shit about anyone but yourself.

Hunting won't attract undesirable people, using a pistol unsupervised will.
Tell me where pistols are needed in hunting?
You can't fire pull a rifle out of your waistband and fire one handed effectively with 17 rounds.

You say why punish law abiding citizens for what criminals do, why punish enforcement officers and society because you want to go shoot animals in the bush with a pistol instead of a rifle?

I'm not saying criminals don't already have handguns, but why make it easier for them by allowing people to use pistols in the public eye?

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You can't do that effectively with a pistol either. Have you ever fired one? They are extremely difficult to control and shoot with any accuracy unless you have had a shit load of practice. I bet if all guns were restricted to range use only you would be trying to make the case about why we don't need them for hunting. Pistols aren't needed in hunting. Neither are rifles. We can just buy our meat at the supermarket at the end of the day.

How the fuck is using pistols in the public eye gonna make it easier for criminals to get them, when you still need a B endorsement to get one? Jesus H Christ the mind boggles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKTeEmNUkjw

Cheesy as hell but demonstrates what we are talking about

I cant believe I just watched that, Why would anyone hunt with a pistol it is so unethical :D

Really good vid, I can imagine thats what it would be like in Nz good clean ethical hunting.

Not to mention a lot of handgun hunting is done with very long barrel revolvers and T/C encore single shot pistols, not Glock 17's and the like

I know pistols can be used in hunting what I was saying is that they don't NEED to be used when we have rifles. People hunt for fun and pest control as much as food.

Pistols can be fired one handed, not as rapidly or accuratly as two handed I agree. And yes I have used one.

By making them able to be used for hunting they are going to be carried a lot more and people will see them being used making it easier to target them, vehicles broken into, burglary etc. Bit thin I know.

What evidence have they given to support their claims, how are pistols needed in hunting? If you look back in the 'what everyone does for a crust' thread you will see what I do for a job.

I'm not anti guns in anyway, I'm just anti anything that helps the wrong people get their hands on them, especially pistols.

Not trying to start a shit fight, maybe I should just end it here

I think someone has watched to much tv :(

The problem with internet though is just as you have showed a decent video there is always going to be something out there bad.

Just like head shots, say there good get a bunch of vids of deer getting nailed on the spot then find a bunch of vids of deer still alive with half its face dangling around.

This argument kinda will just go around in circle's as it is 2 different opinions.

Be good for bailing pigs, hunting in thick shit where a rifle will be a disadvantage?

Personally I don't have a problem with PNZ. I've shooting the "B' cat for about 4yrs and love it. You get to meet great people and have sh*t loads of fun. I have to agree handgun hunting would be fun but thinking about somethings I've seen and heard it scares the crap out of me. What about this scenario :- wondering along in thick NZ bush, you didn't realize the safety was knocked off and you go arse up down a bank ( I know it shouldn't be loaded, but bet it would happen), oh hell I shoot myself though the thigh, knee etc. Worse case I know, but we are having enough prob's with the long version of a pistol already. :huh:

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Not to mention a lot of handgun hunting is done with very long barrel revolvers and T/C encore single shot pistols, not Glock 17's and the like

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Your not wrong Beavis.

A Glock would be the absolute worst hunting pistol.... I know because I own and shoot one currently. BTW they can hold 19 or 33 rounds depending on the mag length. ;)

This would be my Ideal Hunting Pistol for NZ conditions.
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Personally I don't have a problem with PNZ. I've shooting the "B' cat for about 4yrs and love it. You get to meet great people and have sh*t loads of fun. I have to agree handgun hunting would be fun but thinking about somethings I've seen and heard it scares the crap out of me. What about this scenario :- wondering along in thick NZ bush, you didn't realize the safety was knocked off and you go arse up down a bank ( I know it shouldn't be loaded, but bet it would happen), oh hell I shoot myself though the thigh, knee etc. Worse case I know, but we are having enough prob's with the long version of a pistol already. :huh:

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That can happen with a rifle?

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Be good for bailing pigs, hunting in thick shit where a rifle will be a disadvantage?

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Real pig hunter wouldnt be shooting pigs while the dogs are bailing thats what ya knife is for ..

Im not wanting to start a argument on this but, Just because you take a gun doent mean your not a real pig hunter!

I have a mate who is like that and when we went out pig hunting there was a good mob of pigs about 50m feeding all good eaters, I said before we went out bring the SKS but no apperantly a real pig hunter doesn't use a gun, first thing he said when we saw them, fuck, should of bought the SKS. We still got 3 of them with the dogs though

Thats them, not huge which probably helped in getting 3 that or all his talk of his dogs is true :)
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A few years ago 160 handguns were stolen in Porirua.It didnt cause an upsurge in gun crime they just dissapeared