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Hi, new to forum.
Can anyone identify this sight and tell me how old it might be?
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literaly just tonight I notice, while taking pictures, the TINY printing on it. it seems to say
LYMAN
reg???pat.APP
not sure about the APP
it looks to be a complete sight, nothing removed.
Cheers
Glen
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Looks like a Lyman 1a tang sight to me.
Cheers
Pete
Thanks, live and learn, apparently my rifle is classified quite distinctly as a model 1892 saddle ring carbine. No idea what the difference is from a rifle. The sight is a lyman and was put on Winchesters but the only images I can find of this particular sight seems to be on an older version rifle than mine.
Amazing I searched for the model 1892 about 10 years ago and there was only a tiny bit if information around. Now there's heaps.
Very cool.
I think the sight might say REG US PAT APP
The lug on the side of the action in the second pic would typically have a ring through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by glens
Yes, the rifle belonged, as I understand it, to granddad, then dad, then ended up with mums dad (my other granddad), First I saw it it was discarded up under a house on the dirt at Raglan for about 10-15 years with an old hammer action shot gun and a Remington Model 341 "Sportmaster" .22, out of sight, out of mind.
Then my uncle took it and removed the ring 'cause it rattled and scared the rabbits. he passed away and my other uncle got it.
Finally he agreed to let me have it if I swapped it for the same.
Looked for years and strangely was buying ammo in a shop in Whangarie when some random guy wandered in wanting to sell a 1892 32-20. What were the odds?? I explained why and asked if he'd sell it to me. (note one pissed off shop keeper looking at a 15 year old kid on a motor bike) Luckily he agreed because a month later all the other guns were stolen. That was 40 years ago!
So now I've got a rifle that belonged to both my grandfathers.
The bore was like a cheese grater and had to be cleaned with a wire brush after just 5 shots. Very accurate out to about 10 meters. Then more like a shotgun.
Fortunately later Eagle Arms started in Tauranga and mine was one of, if not the first barrel they sleeved.
Now it's a great gun for varminting and plinking, very accurate but still has all the original trademarks.
Fortunately my daughter is keen on having it so it hopefully will stay in the family a few more years.
ps if you know anyone selling a Remington Model 341 "Sportmaster" .22 I'd love to know. What a lovely rifle to use. Spent many happy hours wandering the hills carrying that.
@glens
My lovely wife bought me an 1892 Winchester in 25-20 for my birthday a couple of years back.
This Rifle was manufactured in 1910 and today still shoots better than I can aim it.
Getting Ammo was a bit tricky to start with but after a bit of a search here and in Oz I now have enough supplies of reloading components to last me a life time. :)
I've used it for shooting everything from Magpies to Goats.
I love it.
http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/...-205765761.jpg
I also shoot with a Remington 552 Speedmaster manufactured in 1956, it's also an awesome rifle that still takes the rabbits for me.
http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/...012_185304.jpg
Cheers
Pete
Got one in 32-20 with octagon barrel. Not as tidy as yours though
I love that gun. Right from the first time I picked it up as a kid of about 8.
It's such a please to shoot. bigger than a .22 but about the same kick.
Learn't more about this gun since P38 Pete identified the sight than I've found out in all these years.
Now I need to find a supply of jacketed projectiles. Currently using lead slugs from a mold I made at ATI when I was a student there 35 years ago. Used lead from tyre weights as that was described back then as the best alloy to use.
Haven't used anything much lately, Not worried about hunting, got that out of my system years ago, still love target shooting for fun though but finding anywhere near Auckland now is really difficult.
Funny as teenagers we used to ride around most weekends on our motorcycles with rifles slung over our backs off to cull goats or shoot opossums etc. Trading 10 rabbit tails at the Te Kuiti council for 303 rounds which were useless to us until they changed and started giving .22ammo. cutting hare tails in half to make two rabbit tails and hopping the girl didn't take them out and check/count them.
Doubt you'd get twenty yards down the road before being arrested nowadays.
Got stopped by the cops (SIS I think it was) walking through downtown Auckland 35 years ago with a rifle. Asked why I had it and then let me carry on. Wouldn't even get asked nowadays I'd think. Just get surrounded by armed police. (quite rightly too!) but it shows how times have changed.
Brought some factory ammo a couple years ago, can't remember what brand, just rung around a bit. I'd like to get mine refurbished but I'd need to check the bore as it will likely be pitted
Wonder what the shelf life of all this ammo is?
I've still got some old stirling .22 rounds from 40 years ago,
200 wcf 32.20 factory copper clad rounds from about 35+ years ago.
But I quite like loading my own shells. Both for the 32.20 and the 7mm08.
Just need to use them more.
Cheers
@glens
Your ammo will be fine to shoot.
I still have WW2 303 ammo that shoots perfectly.
Got an unopened pack (200 rounds) of 308 with the compliments of Ian Smiths Army (for those that can remember back that far) too but wont be shooting any of that any time soon.
If you interested in projectiles for your 32-20 I can hook you up with a Bloke in Tokoroa who casts excellent gas checked projectiles at reasonable $$$.
The gas checked projectiles can be driven almost as fast as jacketed projectiles.
I purchase 71gr 25cal gas checked projectiles off him for my 25-20wcf.
Also there's plenty of new 32-20wcf brass around (if you know where to look).
If you are interested in what year your rifle was manufactured look up the serial number in this document
http://www.winchesterguns.com/suppor...-Documents.pdf
Or this site
http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm
Cheers
Pete
Nice to see there is one or three 32-20's still getting outside for work.
Mine
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Interesting all three of ours are the short magazine version and still diferent. The 32-20 I bought and traded for mine had a magazine the full length of the barrel. Looked quite cool.
My saddle ring carbine has a different fore stock altogether.
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Sorry about the weird picture, it's hosing down outside so I can't take a sexy photo.
Luckily these old puppies were made with a high nickle steel so are fairly rust resistant compared to others.
Remember when I restored this I was only 15/16 and didn't really care about originality, wouldn't of had the information available if I'd looked.
I Remember soaking the woodwork in soapy water for days getting the s@#t out of it.
This is like I traded
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The steel strap at the front of the barrel was a crappy home made piece so I had to hand file a replacement out of a solid block of steel. Took several days of filing and drilling but looked mint in the end.
Glens
The short magazine on my Rifle is called a button magazine.
Back in the day Winchester was a market leader in the fact that they would offer a standard rifle design with "Optional Variants" that the purchaser could order to semi customise their rifle.
The Button magazine was one such "Option" available at the time.
These Rifles were also bought through Mail Order Catalogue from companies such as Sears & Roebuck which was the equivalent of Shopping Online Today.
So my rifle would have been ordered from Winchester, likely through a catalogue, with the Option of a Button Magazine instead of the standard full length magazine.
BTW Sears & Roebuck were the masters of Mail Order Catalogue Companies back in the day and is now owned by Kmart.
Cheers
Pete
They look better with the short mags :thumbsup:
Sorry for keeping this going but I've never known anyone with such a rifle so have never had anyone to discuss the history with.
do you have this same sight?
I'd love to know what the calibration is on the verticle. Yards, 100 of yards or just a random scale.
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@glensQuote:
Originally Posted by glens
Those are standard Winchester Carbine Ladder Rear Sights and are the correct sights for an 1892 model Winchester rifle.
https://www.google.co.nz/?gfe_rd=cr&...+ladder+sights
The ladder sights were also an option when ordering your rifle and I believe they stopped using this sight for 1892 rifles in the early 1930's so this may also give a clue to the age of your rifle.
My 1892 Winchester has the Semi Buckhorn Rear Sights which was also a "Option" you could choose when you ordered a Rifle.
You could also order Full Buckhorn rear sights, as well as the Tang sights and a range of different fore sights in differing heights.
I'm not sure about the graduations on the ladder but as they are an equal distance apart they might not be denoting yards.
Might have to research this some more though.
In the meantime here's a good article on the history of the 1892 Winchester Rifle
http://outlawswinchesters.jouwweb.nl/winchester-1892
Cheers
Pete
Thanks again Pete.
So on the folding ladder sight the 20 is calibrated for 2000 yards,
I'd have to say I wouldn't doubt for a second the 32-20 could kill a deer at 2000 yards, so long as it had a darned good sense of humor and a weak heart. :D
Thanks for all your input and information links.
Somewhere I've seen an old Sears & Roebuck Catalogue , I'm sure it was with the reloading info I dug up, if and when I find it I'll take a copy and post it here. Don't know why it's not with the dies,
Production date was apparently 1913. Wow, 102 years old and still a perfect everyday shooter. sick!!
Cheers
When it comes to reloading I'd suggest you just stick with cast or gas check projectiles at 32/20 velocities jacketed bullets wont offer any advantage and are harder on the barrel. Wish I owned one, would go nicely with the 94 and 95, so many things to buy so little time or money.
Nice! ............... 1913 right in the middle of the Great War. :thumbsup:
So much history and I bet there's another 100 years shooting left in it too.
My 1892 was manufactured in 1910 and even with the semi buckhorn sights it shoots very accurately.
Last time my son was home we were shooting goats' him with my AR15 and me with my Winchester.
We spied a magpie at about 50meters and I bet him $10 I could head shoot the Pie with my 25-20.
He laughed and said your on, I came home $10 richer that day. :)
After that demonstration of awesomeness he put away the AR and swapped to the Winchester shooting Goats with it for the rest of the afternoon and loving it.
My best shot for the day was taking a Goat at 125m with the shot going through a 2' thick branch. :D
Like I've said before I love shooting it.
Cheers
Pete
Here's some pics of the ammo I'm reloading for my 1892 Winchester 25-20wcf.
I'm using
71gr gas checked cast projectiles cast by Robert Walker from Tokoroa.
7grs of H110
MV is 1680fps
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Cheers
Pete
Nice.
Can't find my home made mold but this is the gear I have left.
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The front right hand are home loads and the others a 5 different brands I've collected over the years. The ones in foam I think are Remington(?) and I have no idea what brand the back cardboard box was.
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use a hand loader like this. Slow but effective.
And a quick shot shot to show I too am a born killer.
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Yep, both of them with one shot!!!
@glens
Nothing wrong with a Lee Classic Loader. :thumbsup:
I have quite a collection of them now and they load every bit as accurate as my Forster Coax Press and Forster Dies do.
BTW the Black n White Rabbit on the right is thinking Pfffft is that all you got! ;)
Cheers
Pete
How hard case, there's a saddle ring carbine 32.20 for sale and the moment on trademe and it's got a different configuration again. 1903.
Hi Glens. I have a friend who has a Remington Model 341 "Sportmaster" that he could be tempted to part with. He saw your request on this forum but is not a member. I've sent you my e-mail address by P.M. check your notifications and I'll put you in contact with him. By the way I've enjoyed following this thread.
Thanks Barry, have replied.
There must be a few 1992 rifles out there.
All on trademe over the last few weeks. All carbines. Amazing
32-20
25-35
32-20
