Obviously not a political topic....!!!
But can anyone bring me and others up to speed in the pending rule changes regarding AR type weapons?
And are retailers still bringing in new stocks of ARs?
Or is it a wait and see?
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Obviously not a political topic....!!!
But can anyone bring me and others up to speed in the pending rule changes regarding AR type weapons?
And are retailers still bringing in new stocks of ARs?
Or is it a wait and see?
Still are AR's coming in, but very little due to the US situation.
It has gone through the 3rd reading in parliment, so it's now a matter of when not if.
I think this is the ammendment to the arms act....
Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act Contents – New Zealand Legislation
I don't know if the new changes are in there yet or if there are still more to come. From what I've heard, there are many changes yet to be announced.
edit:
These are new amendments......
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...25_se&p=1&sr=2
We are still flooding the market with ARs. We got our latest import permit from nz police a couple of days ago. Never been a better time to buy!
"declare semi-automatic firearms (other than pistols) of a stated make and model to be military style semi-automatic firearms for the purposes of this Act:"Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemini
Looking how its going in the US, I'd consider waiting, they might be re-classed E here.
Im curious, why do you want one?
regards
It sucks, I want to bring in some stuff from the US, but it's not currently available due to US ban-panic, and if I get NZ permits now they'll expire before I can get it from the US, and if I wait I might not be able to get permits. Balls.
NZ Import Permits valid for 12 months, if they expire before your stuff is in stock then you can ask for them to be re issued as you have the stuff on back order. At least that's what happened in my case. Does mean you have to submit the documents again to get US Export re-approved as these permits only remain valid while your import permit is valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
I have been waiting since April last year for 2 stripped uppers. Have everything else.
Okay, that's great, thanks for the info - I thought they expired after 1 month.
I am just wondering about owners having to retrospectively change format, re license or surrender.
AR's are a good platform. And hopefully the survive in NZL post the changes...
Why did you want your guns? Bit of a strange question to ask unless you are a AR basher!Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
So if ar15 get puts on e-cat will the owners of them have to either sell the rifle or get an e-cat licence? I am really vlose to buying one but dont want to be stuck with something I have to sell or cant use because I only have a cat licence
Get your E if they change it.
Why are so many scared of E cat licencing? Too scared of extra scrutiny and a decent quality safe?
Price of the safe could put some off. Well me away.
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Compared to the cost of my guns and optics, an extra couple of hundred bucks on a more secure safe to keep them in is a pretty small investment, personally, and I'd guess that's true of a lot of people here.
True, Just depends how much play money you have I guess.
I think you will see affordable E-Cat safes in the near future once importers understand how the police will implement the new MSSA ammendments. Topmaq import an affordable 10 gun safe at the moment.
Latest rumors I've heard is they were meant to start letting stuff be known March/April, but has been put off till June because they've realized the amendment could cause them dramas again, and further law making might be required to make it work. I can't confirm the validity of that though - changes might come out tomorrow.
I asked a Q in order to understand. Not an AR basher as such, sort of any semi makes me wonder....I can see some ppl have a real use for one just for most NZ hunters? just wondering on the reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by G.K
regards
They're good hunting rifles, not everybody is a hunter either.Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
Easiest answer is take one rabbit shooting where's there's rabbits galore for a start . Goat shooting, fallow deer , red deer if you re good enough shot . Lightweight super accurate ergonomic to use . You do need to try one before you can say not for me cos try a good one and you could be saying wow that's light, wow that's nice to carry and wow that's my most accurate gun in the safe Mind you if you do ALL your hunting for Reds and bigger animals no pest control or target shooting you may already have the tool that suits you for that
If you really want to know why folks like them for safe shooting not wanly bollocks Rambo shite try one .
Cheers :thumbsup::thumbsup:
Hahaha that's a politician answer to a question answering a question with another question, I asked why you chose your guns? It's all a individual preffrance on what we shoot. I prefer semi's but I don't slag anyone's choice to shoot bolt actions that there choice and I don't have any right to judge them on it. And at the end of the day they all have a trigger and go bang :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by steven
Our AO said the changes were being put off till June/July. She also said that if you already have a newly classed MSSA the fee for getting an E will be waived but the justification for needing one will be the same. Not sure how accurate this is though.
ARs are great for pest control and plinking, to loud to chamber a load for any type of stalking with others though. Nice to shoot but definitely attract a few muppets which is why having them go E will probably be a good thing. I much prefer a semi for hunting.
On the other hand steven wasn't bagging the AR's either. Seemed like a genuine question to me. Like why did you choose a T3 over a 700. I had a play with an AR and was very impressed with it. Unlikely to buy one as I'm too much of a tight wad and tend to make every shot count. I bought a semi 22lr for rabbits but have hardly used it preferring the bolt action even though the semi is more accurate, and we have shot some serious numbers of rabbits.Quote:
Originally Posted by G.K
Just quietly steven almost sounds like he could be finding reasons to decide if it could be a valid reason for him too.
You can chamber a round pretty quietly, ride the charging handle gently and finish with your FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
It is probably still also still a reasonable chance that ARs with thumbhole stocks will be able to stay as A cat, but only time will tell... Seems a bit counter-productive to suddenly have a flood of people who can legally add big magazines to their rifles, but logic doesn't always come into things.
Would like to build a dedicated .22AR for plinking/teaching new shooters etc, but will have to see how things play out in the next few months. Not much point building something for the kids to use if it is to suddenly become e-cat.
They're still way to loud to load a round quietly when you are onto a deer in the bush. Just use the safety.
It hurts my brain to think of them changing rules over a handle, but those that follow the issue closely know it's just a bull shit cover story for an ulterior motive.
Yep, I go for the safety too, but a lot of people are a bit leery of that option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Agree entirely on the BS motives. Strange days....
Need? Come on. No-one 'needs' to hunt, if you want to get down to asking why anyone 'needs' any type of firearm. Who decided that murdering poor innocent animals is a more legitimate use of a gun than collecting, target shooting, etc?
I need to hunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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You don't "need" to shoot the poor innocent paper either. Be a lot better if all firearms users got along.
That's my point, there are all these people saying "well you shouldn't be allowed to own a semi auto because I don't think anyone needs one for hunting" as if "need" means a damn thing, and as if hunting is somehow so much more legitimate than "I want one and as a responsible licensed person there's no reason I shouldn't be allowed one to do whatever the hell I want with"Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
I agree gimp but to say nobody needs to hunt is a bit harsh.
Some people earn there living hunting. I don't but if i didn't hunt i would have been bankrupt a couple of times lost my house and had a young family starving.
Actually they would never starve. I would do ANYTHING to ensure my family is fed.
I don't own a semi but see there purpose weather its hunting or fun. I have nothing against them i would have some if i could afford them and the safe and a couple hundred rounds at the range.
Just thought it was a very dumb comment from an intelligent man.
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Hunting is basically a hobby for the vast majority of people, I was just making a generalisation to make a point.
Pretty much this. I don't fancy the idea of having to justify every facet of what I want to own, the whole nanny state thing. A lot of things I own just cuz.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Exactly. I don't own one, nor want one. But till my last breath I'll stick up for those that wish to own one. If the "need" is a requirement, then the Queen just needs to drive herself around in a mini.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
And that would be the only time you d stand for as long as it was less than 5 mins to watch it go pastQuote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
So confirm for E Cat change, would a AR15 holder need to only
1. Upgrade safe
2. Reconfirm why they need E cat
.?
No gun clubs you have to a member of etc to retain it ?
Being a BMW now you'd probably have to wait a while for the truck to collect it and take it to the agents. The breed generally doesn't have a good rep from what I've heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy
You could make your own, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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Originally Posted by Survy
If you already have something that they have reclassified as Ecat, then you only need to change to ecat due to the fact that they have changed the regs.
Last time there was issues, the Police did a free upgrade to Ecat. You didn't need different referees and reasons to change (apart from ownership already) and only upgraded security is needed.
Hopefully they'll do the same thing this time.
Because it was a perfectly legal A Cat when I got itQuote:
Originally Posted by Survy