Compairnf like to like I had more luck with the Maniatis than the Hardy. Maniatis are a small, light, short muzzle forward can and i think people expect to much. When i run my Atec with one baffle its teh same forward length and is very similar to the Maniatis which is sufficient but not superquiet. The braked maniatis however was very impressive for recoil. however Id love to buy a ATEC baffle to suit the brake but always seem out of stock.
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