Auckland clubs and shooting disciplines.

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16-04-2016, 07:30 PM
Macca

Auckland clubs and shooting disciplines.

So I've just recently moved to Auckland and picked up some work, and now thinking that it would be a good time to finally go fo either my E or B as I've had to sell out of my F-class to pay for moving costs and life bills in general.

Now that I've settled down I want to get back in to a shooting sport to chew up my hobby time without blowing the bank like my last did. Just by your guys experience, would you say pistol shooting or owning an MSSA is cheaper for general costs and ammo for competition/range use along with hunting goats and other pests on private farms etc for MSSA.

Also how are the auckland clubs in regards to coming in at your own leisure for practice and are there any clubs that offer any kind of run and gun range that you shoot around corners or out of the back of vehicles etc, or is that more of an American thing with their relaxed laws?

Also is E endorsement easier to obtain and upkeep as opposed to the hoops and strings of mandatory club event attendance with B as well as only being able to use pistols are approved locations. I've seen alot of debate about people putting hunting on their MSSA reasons, but if I get accepted for competition use and someone for some reason calls the police about my "black rifle" in the bush, will I be hung out to dry?

Cheers
Macca
16-04-2016, 08:04 PM
Tommy

Come to some ASRA shoots and have a play. Can lend you a rifle too if you need, it's a hoot. Don't know much about the B thing sorry, other than I'm keen to get stuck in too. Whereabouts in Akl have you ended up?
16-04-2016, 08:21 PM
Koshogi

It's really apples and oranges.

Pistols can only be used at approved ranges. MSSAs can be used anywhere you can lawfully fire a firearm.

There is no requirement to be a member of any club or any minimum number of shoots/attendences required for an E endorsement. You technically don't require a reason, but the Police insist on one. Put everything that you ever plan on doing with it; plinking, competition, hunting, etc.

ASRA has very limited shooting dates. I would recommend Waiuku Pistol Club, they have a 100M range and you can use it 5 days a week.

Not much barricade shooting is going to happen, unless you get into 3 Gun.

Shooting out of vehicles. ...not likely. Buy yourself a property and you can do what you want though.

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16-04-2016, 09:00 PM
300CALMAN

Auckland NZDA also has MSSA Days. You are welcome to shoot at the North Auckland NZDA also but they get funny about rapid fire :x_x:
16-04-2016, 11:11 PM
Macca

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Originally Posted by Tommy

Whereabouts in Akl have you ended up?

I'm based in papakura just off great south road
16-04-2016, 11:37 PM
Banana

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

Shooting out of vehicles. ...not likely. Buy yourself a property and you can do what you want though.

Some IPSC stages involve shooting out of and around vehicles.
17-04-2016, 08:37 AM
Littledog

B vs E

The issue with "B" is the 12 shoots a year BS. Im currently thinking of not renewing my "B" as this year with a broken shoulder and work commitments I have not made many shoots and will struggle to meet the requirements. You dont have that trouble with "E".
But if your in Papakura and want to shoot pistols then Auckland Pistol Club is close by in Brookby and they shoot IPSC which is running and barricades etc-heaps of fun.
17-04-2016, 10:22 AM
Macca

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

Not much barricade shooting is going to happen, unless you get into 3 Gun.

Shooting out of vehicles. ...not likely. Buy yourself a property and you can do what you want though.

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So I guess new zealand has no "tactical carbine" courses that train you in the general use of an AR15 and give you some in depth use of your own rifle?
17-04-2016, 10:52 AM
shift14

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Originally Posted by Macca

I'm based in papakura just off great south road

Waiuku Pistol Club. Whiriwhiri Rd, Waiuku.

Closed Mon/Tues, and public holidays, shooting forbidden.

Other days 1000- 1600.

The club stalwarts have a maintenance day on Thursdays, and it's a good time to introduce yourself or failing that, there's a wee competition each Saturday morning starting at 1000.

5 ranges in total, pistol, shotgun, centerfire and rimfire catered for.

PM me if you wish

B
17-04-2016, 11:45 AM
Banana

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Originally Posted by Macca

So I guess new zealand has no "tactical carbine" courses that train you in the general use of an AR15 and give you some in depth use of your own rifle?

Sparrowhawk Carbine
17-04-2016, 01:02 PM
Macca

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Originally Posted by Banana

Sparrowhawk Carbine

Have you done it yourself or know anyone who has attended?
17-04-2016, 01:27 PM
Banana

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Originally Posted by Macca

Have you done it yourself or know anyone who has attended?

Someone on here, can't remember who, was posting about the practical rifle course. I'd rather spend a grand on ammo and a couple of Frank Proctor DVDs.
17-04-2016, 07:43 PM
dogmatix

Yeah a grand is just silly. $500 would have better uptake.
17-04-2016, 09:13 PM
Kscott

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macca

Also how are the auckland clubs in regards to coming in at your own leisure for practice and are there any clubs that offer any kind of run and gun range that you shoot around corners or out of the back of vehicles etc, or is that more of an American thing with their relaxed laws?

Also is E endorsement easier to obtain and upkeep as opposed to the hoops and strings of mandatory club event attendance with B as well as only being able to use pistols are approved locations. I've seen alot of debate about people putting hunting on their MSSA reasons, but if I get accepted for competition use and someone for some reason calls the police about my "black rifle" in the bush, will I be hung out to dry?

Auckland Pistol Club.
Auckland Pistol Club

Can only shoot Wednesday afternoon, all day Saturday, Sunday. Pistols only. It gets busy with various sections shooting which block book out certain ranges. Pistol carbine is allowed but only certain makes & models, no 9mm AR. Limited options for joining up now, there's only 2 x intakes a year for new members. Keeping 12 shoots a year is piss easy, if you shoot in any comps there's a couple of days a year straight up.

E cat - no restrictions on use attatched to your license. Just remember cops get nervous seeing a tooled up AR out and about.

There's Waiuku Pistol Club, range open Wed-> Sunday 10am - 3pm, for pistol, rifle range, shotgun. Expensive to join.
Waiuku Pistol Club

Numerous rumours of them having consent issues in the future.

If you're super keen to do a tactical course, travel to the US. I did a 2 day shoot in Florida in 2013 and it was money well spent - huge fun factor :thumbsup:
17-04-2016, 10:38 PM
Koshogi

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Originally Posted by Kscott

If you're super keen to do a tactical course, travel to the US. I did a 2 day shoot in Florida in 2013 and it was money well spent - huge fun factor :thumbsup:

Most legitimate schools don't accept non-US citizens. This is due to ITAR restrictions, for most schools it's just not worth the hassle.

All foriegn students are required to obtain State Department approval for any tactical training. To get approval you need to submit a DSP-83 and pay a $250USD fee.

Some places still do accept students without approval, but both student and trainer run the risk of Federal prosecution.

Training courses in Europe or South Africa don't have this issue.

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17-04-2016, 11:42 PM
zimmer

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Originally Posted by Kscott

Auckland Pistol Club.
Auckland Pistol Club

There's Waiuku Pistol Club, range open Wed-> Sunday 10am - 3pm, for pistol, rifle range, shotgun. Expensive to join.
Waiuku Pistol Club

Numerous rumours of them having consent issues in the future.

Care to elaborate on those numerous rumours please.
18-04-2016, 09:26 AM
shift14

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Originally Posted by zimmer

Care to elaborate on those numerous rumours please.

Exactly that, rumours. The club has a very good relationship with the Waikato District Council, and noise checks are held regularly.

The club is in the process of purchasing the land outright.

B
18-04-2016, 02:19 PM
Kscott

That's great news :thumbsup: it's just been the banter overheard and discussed at various ranges.
18-04-2016, 02:27 PM
Kscott

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

Most legitimate schools don't accept non-US citizens. This is due to ITAR restrictions, for most schools it's just not worth the hassle.

All foriegn students are required to obtain State Department approval for any tactical training. To get approval you need to submit a DSP-83 and pay a $250USD fee.

Maybe times have changed, I went to Universal Shooting Academy at Frostproof, Florida. No extra documentation required, mind you it was straight after the US IPSC Nationals. Me, a Yank and a South African, in our class, over 2 x days.
Shooting and Tactical Training Courses | Universal Shooting Academy

They had an old Huey helicopter on a trailer, apparently used in floats and parades as well as some comps.
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Great fun.
19-04-2016, 09:04 AM
AzumitH

Let's start a petition to get Chris Costa down to run a weekend course, I've always thought something like that would be pretty fun to do.
19-04-2016, 04:56 PM
dogmatix

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Originally Posted by AzumitH

Let's start a petition to get Chris Costa down to run a weekend course, I've always thought something like that would be pretty fun to do.

Yeah, somewhere in the North Island please.
19-04-2016, 07:24 PM
Beaker

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

Yeah, somewhere in the North Island please.

South would be better..... :)
19-04-2016, 10:45 PM
AzumitH

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Originally Posted by Beaker

South would be better..... :)

You guys can wait your turn!
20-04-2016, 11:25 AM
Kscott

Well Sean did organise Ben Stoeger to come down for pistol training courses last year. Think there were @45-50 attendees in the end over 4 locations, worked out @$600+ per person for the day, plus @1,000 rounds. The biggest challenge could be organising appropriate licensing for Costa/any shooter to shoot the AR.
22-04-2016, 09:57 AM
AzumitH

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Originally Posted by Kscott

Well Sean did organise Ben Stoeger to come down for pistol training courses last year. Think there were @45-50 attendees in the end over 4 locations, worked out @$600+ per person for the day, plus @1,000 rounds. The biggest challenge could be organising appropriate licensing for Costa/any shooter to shoot the AR.

Yeah licensing for the main attraction would be the initial hurdle. I would think if you could get a few local industry cool guys excited about the idea it could potentially be a go, supplying gear wouldn't be an issue. $500-600 wouldn't be too offensive.