@outlander Always been a clumsy bugger! :D
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@outlander Always been a clumsy bugger! :D
The JW-15s can be a lottery but as guys have said, there are quite a few winners. I did one for my nephew years ago and it was a tackdriver. My older son needed one recently and I scored one for near nothing that needed a little TLC. It had been laying in a safe for ? decades and was covered in surface rust. The stock was pretty good, other than being made from heart of rhubarb. The gun itself must have had a bit of use as the action was pretty smooth. Anyway, gave her the once-over and had a quick play with Birchwood Casey cold blue paste. The borescope showed no major flaws, particularly rust.
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So next question was how would she shoot?
Here's the group after I got the zero roughly right- that's four through one small hole and can't explain why the other one. Bear in mind the --crappy- 4X scope was totally obscuring the aiming mark
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( Excuse the faulty pic upload- dunno what happened there??)
mate had the fully suppressed barrel savage and it was a honey of a rifle to shoot...very quiet even with supersonics (not sure HOW that works but it does) trigger was nice and it sure was accurate.
The 'fully suppressed' shorty ones actually have a ported barrel under the full length suppressor that drops supersonics to subsonic speed. I think they made them for places where subsonic ammo isn't as common as it is here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I have one and it was done in Auckland. Can't recall the outfit, was maybe 20yrs ago. I don't think it's any quieter than std cans and certainly not as quiet as a suppressed bolt gun. There's probably noise that escapes out the action.
MAB (then in Auckland) did the original shorties (mmmm spelling) I think for Sportways. As @GravelBen posted, they were barrel ported Savage Mark IIs with a full overbarrel suppressors. The porting would "strip" the velocity of HV ammo down to subs level. If you wanted to use HV ammo at its design velocity that was not an option.
thankyou for explanation guys....so guess with subsonics it would run even slower again??? my boy was loving using it and shot more than one wallaby with it if guys on centrefire werent quick enough lol.
I bought a Marlin XT 22 years ago, it was an absolute dog of a thing, really indicative of the state Marlin was in at the time. With some amature kitchen gunsmithing, to fix the ejector and tidy up the trigger, it became great.
There are stacks of random old 22's available that can be had fairly cheap and shoot really well. This thread actually reminded me of the new Toz bolt and semis that came out a decade or so ago. Was interested in trying one.
Yip they will be even slower. I had one for a while and it was fun, but I sold it and kept a regular (non-ported) suppressed Savage Mk2 so I could have the option of subsonic or supersonic for different situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
I've used a few different 22s over the years - Savage, Marlin, CZ, Ruger, Norinco, maybe others I've forgotten. Savage have the best factory trigger of the ones I tried by a country mile, and were generally the most accurate of those particular rifles too (but of course you get variation between examples of each brand too).
Mmm.. did a range test and review on the later model Toz 78-01 bolt action few years back.
Fine little bolt for NZ conditions. Quite accurate - round 0.7" groups at 50m - cycled well, and came with four magazines for about $400 then. Later available overseas as Winchester Wildcat. Good little unit - pity its no longer available.
I don't even know if it is really a "lottery" with the JW15s. Sure some are rougher than others but with a bit of very simple fettling all of the examples I have seen have been more than adequate for the general plinking/small game that they were brought for.
Including my own which was shortened and bedded in a reshaped stock including new crown. All work done by the backyard bodger (tm)/(me).
Always going to be a better option out there if you have $.
Although sounds like you got a good deal and I hope you enjoy it.
Agreed - I think alot of bods pass a general comment after owning one JW15 example, or hearing of same. That's fair enough but not the general picture. To date we've probably done two dozen for people - chopped them to 16", recrowned them, polished action and tweaked trigger. Only takes an hour or so. All but one were very good shooters - some superb. All but one averagedwell under 1" for series of groups at 50m, most would shoot under 0.5" for 5 shot groups at best, and the best one (gadgetman's - for which he paid about $100) shoots 0.3" groups. The worst JW15 averaged a fraction over 1" - which is better than the best of 5-6 Ruger 10/22s we've had.
Keep the mags clean and lubed, trial ammos till you get one that shoots well and cycles well, and you have a deadly and effective little hunter. One of my favorites. Powerpoint and Fiocchi often good for HV. Must do another one - and keep it this time... they keep walking!!
What we've found is avoid JWs from GC - alot were very poor quality - and avoid those stamped 'Polytech'.
Mine (older Norinco) loves CCI Subs for what I need and to some degree the PowerPoint Standard Velocity.
I am led to believe that the Polytech marked ones are a newer run on worn tooling. But I am almost always wrong.
I thought my JW-15 was a dog, then I tried CCI subs through it and not bad at around 1" at 50m.
I'm not rubbishing the Norinco's, but I'm no DIY rifle handyman :) And knowing me; would probably balls up a re-crowning etc!
The cheapest Norinco I could find was $299 online, and $349 in-store. Then you factor in getting the $299 one couriered here ($60-ish?); and to be honest; wouldn't ask the local shop to receive a rifle I'd bought from another store.
Many of the used .22's for sale were dearer than the new Savage which I think was a bargain at $359. Every review seemed to give them high marks. If I didn't see the Savage I would have asked what was available in the buy/sell forum here.
That's a good choice. Have had several Savages - the Mark II is their basic entry level 22LR and quite a good wee shooter. Mine would pop around 0.7s at best at 50m and that's pretty good. Would sometimes not cycle on full magazine but overall a good little bunny shooter. Their dearer model rimfires are very nice...
@mudgripz There are a lot "better" .22s out there than the MkII but I just wanted a cheap plinker for rabbits and spotlighting. I hardly ever shoot a rabbit beyond about 50m as I'm usually going for headshots so as not to ruin the meat. And to be honest; I've always been a "good reliable tool" sorta person rather than someone who wants anything too flash. I'd probably cry if I had a lovely walnut stocked rimfire and scratched on a bit of number 8 wire when spotlighting! And being a clumsy bugger; it's what I'd do! ;)
I'm happy with an entry level 22 as long as it does the job :) And with a busted ankle and in plaster for another 2-weeks (and the docs said no deer hunting for abut 6-months on it :( ) ; rabbits are going to be about it for a while!
@bumblefoot $349 for a brand new MkII is a very good deal, I sold my 12 year old MkII stainless/synth for $450 second hand a few months ago! (with a Nikko 6x36 scope on it).
I still have a MkII BTVS which is the laminate thumbhole stock model, a bit heavier but very nice handling.
@GravelBen Yeah i thought it was too good to turn down. Most of the used rifles on TM were about the same price or sometimes more than new price! Then there was the hassle of getting them here.....
Yes Bumble - my idea too - I don't go for expensive, beautifully finished 22lrs. I do have some delightful rimfires go through the closet at times but generally don't keep them as I don't want to mark them up.
That's where the good sharp little worker 22s like JWs, Marlin, Savage, Toz etc are ideal. They will do the job.. You won't lose on that deal.
finally put some decent glass on the wee norinco..a 6x42 kahles no less...sighted her in today at 50ish yards..I had forgotton how nice the trigger is on this particular rifle...its almost 2 stage.take up pressure and get about mm of movement and then it stops with just a little more pressure needed,never notice it on game but on paper its really nice...breaks like glass from there.
surprised again at how quiet it is with subsonic 42grn without suppressor/moderator...supers still have crack but the slow stuff is just a quiet report... mounted scope right back as far as possible rearwards for smaller folks to use.... bit of a crane prone for me...but will help with smaller folks who use it.
Another question..... I'm totally confused as to which brand of suppressor to get for the Savage MkII? Any recommendations? Thanks
The bunny buster can for sale here would be a good option. (As long as your savage is 1/2x20 threaded) Have the same on my cz and quite happy with it.
https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....r-16%94-64847/
Otherwise DPT seems to be the standard these days.
Here's the new bunny rig. a Savage MKII .22LR, Nikko Stirling Panamax 3-9x40 ao ir scope (got it new from Wilsons in Whanganui for $179!) and a DPT suppressor. Haven't put any rounds through it yet but will try it with CCI subs over the weekend
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I'm happy with the accuracy so far with CCI 40gr subs. At 25m and a 25mm orange dot
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mrs has one as well nice no fuss rifle
My Finnscout does similar groups - and it only cost $200!Quote:
Originally Posted by bumblefoot
Back in 1983 lol!
(I thought I was getting ripped off until I saw the price of a new one)
@Finnwolf That's great! The little Savage only cost $359 :)
I sent the little Savage back to Wilsons in Whanganui as about 2 or 3 rounds from each 10 were failing to eject. A bit of internet research showed it to be a reasonably common problem. Kudos to Wilsons; they had it back to me within about 10-days after they'd had the chamber slightly reamed.
Absolutely stoked with how well the .22 shoots; especially considering it's a basic entry level model. The groups should tighten more when I shoot prone rather than from the wobbly old picnic table! The paddock grass is too long to shoot prone at the moment, but will shoot it at a mates in the next couple of days. The orange dot is 25mm wide (5-shot groups at 25m). Now to go and do some door knocking around the neighbouring farms to see if they want their rabbit numbers reduced.
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Dont clean it to much could take 20 or 30 rounds before it settles down that's what we have found at the club
Cleaning 22s, what is this dark magic you speak of?Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
@northdude The only 22 I've ever cleaned was his rifle (and my old 10/22) when I bought them to get them ready to shoot for the first time :)
