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Im going to upgrade my storage and looking a big safe in the 30-50gun range
Not that I need anywhere near that much space atm but I figure may as well go big then I won’t need to worry about running out of space in the future
Looking online the only shop that stocks big safes is gun city
With the Winchester Silverado line
But are they the best value for money?
Any other options available? Only need ACat I don’t think I’ll ever own anything restricted
10ft Shipping container?
Build yourself a walk-in strong room. If you need that much storage you need access and room to move in there.
Drummond and Etheridge, the John Deere dealers in Ashburton had 2 or 3 big safes for sale in there a while back, like real BIG. And I've seen a very good setup in a guys shed where he used a 10ft container, bolted to the floor. Was a tidy one, inside and out. Had his reloading bench in there, a book shelf for all his reference and magazines etc. A bench for working on his guns. And all his hunting gear on shelves or hung on hooks. Was way back in the shed, looked pretty unobtrusive and the crooks had to get past the security camera, in to a locked shed, and then in to a locked container.
I have a 16 gun fire proof job. Wish I had gone bigger. Unless they are all small opensight rifles or single barrel shotguns you can't fit anywhere near that number of firearms in there, let alone the dehumidifier that came with the safe. Digital locking is cool though, not having to go find the key from whatever "safe" place it was left in.
Last time me I looked both Rivers to Ranges and the Green shed stoked or could supply larger safes, might pay to ask as may not be displayed due to shop size or cost to keep in stock for an item that is unlikely to be turned over often.Quote:
Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem
Definitely seen a larger Spika branded safe at RtR 30+gun safe from memory
It's an option to get a local fabricator to weld up a box out of 6mm steel and hang a door on with a couple of Ross 5 lever locks
I made my own as a smaller unit and it cost, very roughly $300 per sheet of 6mm steel and I think about $100 each Ross lock
Glue Fyreline on the interior and you have a fire resistant safe
These guys might be able to do something for you
https://www.tsl.net.nz/baronets
I looked at this a few years ago. I needed endorsement rated safes though.
I ended up going with two 16-20 gun safes instead under the thought process of someone will need to get into two safes to get everything. It's also significantly easier to man handle two smaller safes than one of those big buggas.
If I did it again I'd probably look at the Legend Safes: https://legendhuntinggear.co.nz/safes/ which seem to me to be similar price to the A-Cat safes in stores of the same sizes when it comes to the bigger safes.
I think if I was going down that route, I would llook at a strong room. That way later on, if the situation changes, the room can be used for other things. It cn also be made to look like another room / cupboard or even a loo.....and if you make it the 'right size' you could convert it to a home bar for when you have guests....
Secondly, with a room, the security measures are inside the walls (reinforcing , concrete, bars . metal any eectrical cabling for lights etc... ) but you can line it with timber. MDF ply etc and that greatly helps reduce condensation issues that you get with a safe....
"Room of stout construction" with a surplus bank vault door. There are currently quite a few bank branches being decommissioned, so there are doors floating around. I have one here, 8mm skin but the frame was twisted during the removal process. This would need to be replaced, it's made from 75x50x8mm angle so not a huge job. I got half way through stripping and refitting it when plans changed slightly. Would also need a new lock, I was going to hang a digital type on it but ended up being given a 10mm-skin one that had a straight frame, much easier to use that for my room when I built it. I don't have huge numbers of firearms so don't really need a room of stout construction but it is sooo much easier when getting home to unlock the door, chuck everything in and lock it up until you have time to unpack your gear properly. As noted, if you have scoped firearms a 30-gun safe ends up being only good for about 10 if you don't want the scopes leaning on each other when the door's shut...
As pointed out on many of these style of threads in the past, if you top and tail them you can virtually double the number. And without damage to scopes, stocks, except if you're a bull in a china shop. Only issue is the ones at the back become harder to retrieve but that's just a matter of planning which ones get used the most.
Incidentally, all my recently used rifles get stored barrel down in the safe. This allows any excess solvent/gun oil to drain.
Actually, the best way to store is horizontal with the muzzle slightly lower. The oil in the barrel will meniscus nicely around the bore. Unfortunately, this type of storage can only be done in a bigger walk in type vault.
cheers for reply's a strong room is not an option i have nowhere suitable to build one and nowhere near the funds required
I've had several small safes in the past but i just found that a pain in the arse as I couldn't remember what was in what safe. etcetc
I have a perfect corner where a big safe will fit like a glove. although i can see this will be a pain in some ways Aswell like guns getting parked in and having to unload the entire safe to get something from the back. but i think by going for something way bigger than i need this issue will be less common.
@ROKTOYs suggestion of a 10' container is a bloody good idea mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem
To be fair, I thought that too regarding the required funds. I priced up building a big steel safe, then looked at buying one, then what was required to build a room of stout construction. The room was by far the cheapest of the three options... I used 75x45, 18mm structural ply, fibrecement sheet for fire proofing and unaltered 65square mesh to comply with the cut resistance. While it took longer as I had to do the labour etc, it's actually cheaper than sourcing 6mm plate for a large scale safe. Shipping containers are a good idea, but have weaknesses in the design of them that I don't really like as a permanent option for storage (one of these is that they are shocking moisture traps).Quote:
Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem
I get what you’re saying about a strong room but it just won’t work hereQuote:
Originally Posted by No.3
Shipping container while an ok idea im totally against that one aswell i live on a flood plain which does flood on a regular basis ( a few times a year) so a shipping container at ground level is out of the question
And even if it wasn’t I wouldn’t store guns in one due to condensation I had a mate (no longer with us sadly) who had a massive collection stored in a shipping container and he had that many guns (well over 300) he was in there every day toping up oil on a few guns he would get round in 3 weeks then start again it was constant
I wouldn’t even store guns in a garage they need to be in a warm lived in part of the house
When I moved here I originally put my safe in the garage and they went rusty almost instantly
So I had to move the safe into the house and get the ao back to re approve im a black powder shooter for the most part so my guns are alot more prone to rust than most peoples stainless tikka
I don’t own a single stainless rifle or plastic stock and alot of them are rare antique rifles that I have the responsibility to look after so the next generation can still enjoy them
Ive just built a room of stout construction in a new house, but built in doesnt suit everyone. Having done a ROSC theres no reason you couldnt build one (using 17mm+ ply and a good door to suit a space in your house, fasten it down properly and bobs your uncle, it would shift with you etc . Probably a dammed sight cheaper than a steel safe too.
oversize and put a carousel in it
Also can recommend a goldenrod heater - keeps everything warm and dry
Did you have to use a door off a bank safe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
Talked to TSL this morning they sounded pretty confident they could offer a competitive price with gun city so I have asked for a quote based on the measurements of the 51gun Winchester one
Will see what they come up with
Has anyone dealt them before are they good to deal with?
Mate has a large rotary safe, makes gettting at the rifles very easy.
51 gun my ass unless all your rifles are single shot .22's - go to gun city and ask the to put 10 scoped rifles in there and then see how much space is left as others have said nowhere near 51 guns if you have scope rifles or afew shotgunsQuote:
Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem
I have one of the 50 gun safes from here https://legendhuntinggear.co.nz/safes/
I've had it for a few years now and it works well. Has lights and power points for dehumidifier etc as well
Yeah I know im fully aware of that buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by Carbine
But That's all commercial gun safes I’ve never seen one that comfortably holds what it says
That’s why im planning to get a massive one
Because I never plan to own even half the amount of rifles it says it holds
So should hold my collection and some other valuables comfortably without banging them together etc
A pair of smaller 14 or so ones, seperate the wood and blue from the synthetic and stainless. That’s my approach to it.
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No you don't, you can reinforce a door or custom build one to meet the specs but using a vault door is just one metric f-ton easier than building or reinforcing one yourself. It's just a case of adding sufficient securing to the vault's door frame to secure it and hang the weight and go from there...Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
A ROSC doesn't need to be built into the structure of the house or shed and has the distinct advantage that you can airgap it off the ground for ventilation. This fixes a few of the worst corrosion causes in one foul swoop as it were. Steel boxes sweat, safes are steel boxes so you aren't going to avoid that problem.
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Originally Posted by No.3
I don’t see the moisture topic as an issue with the container in a building? I am looking at building a room and think the 10 Ft container with walk in steel door in place of the double container doors. It would be easy to set up a circulating fan to circulate air. I would line it with ply. What I like is the ready made box to start with.
I just built a room inside my shed I put a solid door with deadbolt on it so the whole room is a safe.
I also have my safe inside as well, I have cupboards with loading components and a load bench all inside the room.
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Om thanks for info been looking into a room and making a strong door and frame seemed quite easy for me to do..Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3