Big Sevens... Which one for the 195 Berger.....?

Our personal 7mm Fatmax weighs about 6.6 lbs including the 3.5-18 Swaro scope. Its a pussy to shoot with just a radial type brake, but we fit some with our 7000 series alloy angled port directional brakes for those who feel they want more. We personally only have these on the bigger FX series with the heavier projectiles. Not needed on the Fatmax really though, and the radial is better for when you're taking the brake on and off for spook and shoot mode when we're walking without hearing protection, and then winding back on when we want to take a long shot with plugs in. All brakes will creep on the shoulder over time with many on and offs, and it doesn't matter with a radial but is annoying as it starts to index wrong with a directional.

I can understand the gongs at very long distance would be fun but in my opinion and my opinion only hunting at that range would be un ethical hunting
one slight miss calculation or a gust at the Wrong time and the animal has a round through its back legs its most likely going to get somewhere you cant see it to get a follow up and how long is it going to take someone on foot to cover that distance find the poor thing and finish it off

I would limit hunting distance to a distance where you could hit a 6"x6" gong every shot in any conditions cold bore without fail

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Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

I can understand the gongs at very long distance would be fun but in my opinion and my opinion only hunting at that range would be un ethical hunting
one slight miss calculation or a gust at the Wrong time and the animal has a round through its back legs its most likely going to get somewhere you cant see it to get a follow up and how long is it going to take someone on foot to cover that distance find the poor thing and finish it off

I would limit hunting distance to a distance where you could hit a 6"x6" gong every shot in any conditions cold bore without fail

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Yes and this is my opinion :) There is no difference in risk at any distance if you consider experience and sound systems. I know guys who could consistently 'kill' to that distance, I also know a lot of people cannot ethically kill at 50 metres. Whether they are using inaccurate rifles, don't know where the kill zones are or are simply taking dumb shots. The point is good practise, good tools and good knowledge amount to ethical kills, not distance :D

This thread is about big Sevens and 195 Bergers...not about you're ability as a shooter

Some great info has been given on the subject by some knowledgeable guys that are freely sharing this info

Lets try keep it on track

Amen @Gibo. I have seen many a fuckup under 100m on animals. Get out there and practice with the all the gear you're using in the field until you are good to go. Know you're limits!

Cheers for the info @GregD.

So explane this carbon barrel to me.
Its a standard mountin rifle contour that would be threded and have a vacume bagged vinalester resin pumped thru it im gussing?.
Best resin for heat resistance !
Machined crown tip holding it all together. or is it filament wrapped like a spa on a yacht

Something like that :
Composite Rifle - Proof Research

Good spin?
Could see the benifit in a hunting situation but why you would want to reduce weight on for example an f open rifle.

You wouldn't. They're targeted at lightweight hunting rifles although the weight savings are pretty marginal.

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You wouldn't. They're targeted at lightweight hunting rifles although the weight savings are pretty marginal.

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Marginal is a relative term.

The longer the barrel the more weight you save.

Either of these could be considered light, even though both have "heavy" actions & stocks.

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...-magnum-21359/

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...minator-25380/

Would you not agree Greg the major weight savings to be made are in the stock (given you haven't chosen a heavy action)?

I was alluding to hunting rifle barrels under say 25".

Interesting, wonder how these barrels will go with the time test!
Most composite and resins break down and go brittle over time as resins never really cure 100%
Heat is a major cause of premature aging in resins.

Might try one on my next rebarrel

Any updates on the 195 ?

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Any updates on the 195 ?

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Smith is screwing on a Shilen Select Match and I will get dies from Whidden in the states.

Barrel length will be around 28" and have yet to decide on contour #3 or #4.

Hopefully not too far away.

Nice work...exciting project

1 in 8 twist barrel?

Have you gone for a 7mm 300 Norma standard shoulder or Improved?

Does Whidden make custom dies or are you using a 300 Norma Magnum die with 7mm neck bushing?

@Echo 1:8 Shilen Select match tube @ 26"

Standard shoulder.

Action is all trued up and bolt work done.

Whidden Dies arrived and I know which bushings to get.

Have 175 ELD-X and some RL33, just need some 195 Bergers.

Barrel is on the water so fingers crossed she will be 6 weeks away....

Got an update on this @300_BLK

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Barrels were seized by customs in the states due to exporter having incorrect paperwork.

Still waiting

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Barrels were seized by customs in the states due to exporter having incorrect paperwork.

Still waiting

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Bugger

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Call this a dumb question if you will but why did you select the barrel you did as opposed to a Locally made Trueflite?

Some very interesting reading indeed as I'm researching my next project along similar lines.

Enlightening is a understatement!

Call this a dumb question if you will but why did you select the barrel you did as opposed to a Locally made Trueflite?

Some very interesting reading indeed as I'm researching my next project along similar lines.

Enlightening is a understatement!

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Call this a dumb question if you will but why did you select the barrel you did as opposed to a Locally made Trueflite?

Some very interesting reading indeed as I'm researching my next project along similar lines.

Enlightening is a understatement!

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Because the 7mm barrel he selected will shoot good. [emoji6]

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I have had 4 trueflite barrels.
Only one shot well. Very well in fact.
Have one Bartlein...to say I got what I paid for would be an understatement.
Will only buy Bartlein or maybe one of KGs carbon ones from now on.
Have also had MAB, Hart, Shilen, Krieger, vulcan (nz) and precision.
All shot well but the Bartlein has been my favorite.
Easy to clean and looking thru a scope you wouldn't think it has fired nearly 500rnds

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Originally Posted by R93

I have had 4 trueflite barrels.
Only one shot well. Very well in fact.
Have one Bartlein...to say I got what I paid for would be an understatement.
Will only by Bartlein or maybe one of KGs carbon ones from now on.

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You're not the first person I've heard say that.

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You're not the first person I've heard say that.

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I never dealt with them directly but when we complained about the performance we were told to shoot a couple hundred rounds thru it to then see what it does. Wtf?
Then we hear they had issues with 6.5-7mm barrels but would not replace mine.

Every good custom barrel I have had, has shot a generic starting load straight away.
No running in bullshit, they just shot.

Never run in a barrel in my life and I have had a few. I have lapped a couple due to a bit of coppering but that's about it.

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Hmmm interesting.

It's the first I've heard about them in relation to quality in a bad way.

Anyway interesting to see different people's experiences :-)

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Hmmm interesting.

It's the first I've heard about them in relation to quality in a bad way.

Anyway interesting to see different people's experiences :-)

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Bare in mind that I was dealt a bad hand by them 4 or 5 years ago.
They have likely been fine since then and don't want to rubbish them. Was just my experience and to be fair because of that, I doubt I will never buy another barrel off them.

The TF barrel I had that shot well was really good in every aspect.

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I never dealt with them directly but when we complained about the performance we were told to shoot a couple hundred rounds thru it to then see what it does. Wtf?
Then we hear they had issues with 6.5-7mm barrels but would not replace mine.

Every good custom barrel I have had, has shot a generic starting load straight away.
No running in bullshit, they just shot.

Never run in a barrel in my life and I have had a few. I have lapped a couple due to a bit of coppering but that's about it.

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The extra cost of a cut barrel is less than the cost of a couple of hundred rounds....its a easy decision in my opinion

You end up using that many cleaning products on the cheap barrel as well so take that into consideration

Then after the barrel wont shoot the maker blames the cleaning products and how you have cleaned it saying thats why it won't shoot and so it has no warranty

Spend an extra few hundred at the start and take chance out of the equation

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Easy to clean and looking thru a scope you wouldn't think it has fired nearly 500rnds

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What calibre @R93 ?

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What calibre @R93 ?

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6.5

It reads like you are also very familiar with my experience [emoji16]
If I can't get a rifle to shoot I always get a few other competent people to shoot said rifle for me.
Some of the feedback we received was pretty insulting and probably would be for a beginner.

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Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter

Call this a dumb question if you will but why did you select the barrel you did as opposed to a Locally made Trueflite?

Some very interesting reading indeed as I'm researching my next project along similar lines.

Enlightening is a understatement!

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Been there done that been burned and grant is a tosser
particular rifle shot better and faster with the standard barrel then the truflight and cleaning was a bitch even after 300 rounds

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Bare in mind that I was dealt a bad hand by them 4 or 5 years ago.
They have likely been fine since then and don't want to rubbish them. Was just my experience and to be fair because of that, I doubt I will never buy another barrel off them.

The TF barrel I had that shot well was really good in every aspect.

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Mine too was about that time and was 7mm barrel.
Wont have another one especially how I was spoken too

Trueflite have done 4 barrels for now over 4-5 years, 2 in 7mm, 1 in 6.5 and one in 30 cal. All have been very accurate from get go, and I've broken the barrel in per Truflite instructions. Just done a 284 for me and about to start on break in & load dev. Always had great service and advice from Grant. Fingers crossed this 5th one is a shooter as well. I would agree that copper build up & cleaning is a bit of a mission in some barrels in the first stages but comes right with good Cu solvent and a round or 2 of lapping. Have never tried imported high end barrels so can't make any comparisons. Every gunsmith can turn out the odd dud bbl, but I'd expect the smith to stand by their work & put it right if it was not.

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Trueflite have done 4 barrels for now over 4-5 years, 2 in 7mm, 1 in 6.5 and one in 30 cal. All have been very accurate from get go, and I've broken the barrel in per Truflite instructions. Just done a 284 for me and about to start on break in & load dev. Always had great service and advice from Grant. Fingers crossed this 5th one is a shooter as well. I would agree that copper build up & cleaning is a bit of a mission in some barrels in the first stages but comes right with good Cu solvent and a round or 2 of lapping. Have never tried imported high end barrels so can't make any comparisons. Every gunsmith can turn out the odd dud bbl, but I'd expect the smith to stand by their work & put it right if it was not.

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So you bought 'premium' barrels which you subsequently had to do a round or two of lapping on. You don't see any problems with that?

No

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Trueflite have done 4 barrels for now over 4-5 years, 2 in 7mm, 1 in 6.5 and one in 30 cal. All have been very accurate from get go, and I've broken the barrel in per Truflite instructions. Just done a 284 for me and about to start on break in & load dev. Always had great service and advice from Grant. Fingers crossed this 5th one is a shooter as well. I would agree that copper build up & cleaning is a bit of a mission in some barrels in the first stages but comes right with good Cu solvent and a round or 2 of lapping. Have never tried imported high end barrels so can't make any comparisons. Every gunsmith can turn out the odd dud bbl, but I'd expect the smith to stand by their work & put it right if it was not.

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Problem is if your home handy man lapping doesnt work the barrel maker will not warranty barrel....sounds like you have been lucky

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Trueflite have done 4 barrels for now over 4-5 years, 2 in 7mm, 1 in 6.5 and one in 30 cal. All have been very accurate from get go, and I've broken the barrel in per Truflite instructions. Just done a 284 for me and about to start on break in & load dev. Always had great service and advice from Grant. Fingers crossed this 5th one is a shooter as well. I would agree that copper build up & cleaning is a bit of a mission in some barrels in the first stages but comes right with good Cu solvent and a round or 2 of lapping. Have never tried imported high end barrels so can't make any comparisons. Every gunsmith can turn out the odd dud bbl, but I'd expect the smith to stand by their work & put it right if it was not.

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I have a couple mates with the same experience. They swear by their TF barrels.
And fair enough coz I have seen the results. They're good.

Like I said my experience with them wasn't good and I am sure you will find dissatisfied customers with any barrel maker that sells a heap of barrels.

I can also see things from their side a bit as well. I have worked behind a counter in a couple sports shops on and off helping a mate out. Some of the bullshit claims and complaints you hear all day are completely ridiculous.

I always fancied I would buy my local shop and retire selling guns and outdoor gear.

After a few days here and there of actually doing it I put that out of my mind completely. I wouldnt last a week without losing my shit[emoji16]

Not everyone can shoot tiny groups but it is always someone or something elses fault why they can't.



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I have a couple mates with the same experience. They swear by their TF barrels.
And fair enough coz I have seen the results. They're good.

Like I said my experience with them wasn't good and I am sure you will find dissatisfied customers with any barrel maker that sells a heap of barrels.

I can also see things from their side a bit as well. I have worked behind a counter in a couple sports shops on and off helping a mate out. Some of the bullshit claims and complaints you hear all day are completely ridiculous.

I always fancied I would buy my local shop and retire selling guns and outdoor gear.

After a few days here and there of actually doing it I put that out of my mind completely. I wouldnt last a week without losing my shit[emoji16]

Not everyone can shoot tiny groups but it is always someone or something elses fault why they can't.



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Most people can't shoot as well as the claim it's a fact of life.
The worst are generally the big talkers I've found.
Watch the quiet dude that rocks up with a day bag and old gun he won't disappoint.

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Most people can't shoot as well as the claim it's a fact of life.
The worst are generally the big talkers I've found.
Watch the quiet dude that rocks up with a day bag and old gun he won't disappoint.

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I bet you will see plenty at the Toby shoot lol, Talk talk talk...... Miss miss miss


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I could have made a fortune mining copper from my Trueflite barrel. Eventually settled down but took a couple of hundred rounds. Shot OK.