I ended up with the illuminated version got it of Ken from 55six he was patient while I hummed and haad about illumination or not but once I pulled the trigger paid for it on Monday morning had it in my hot little hand tuesday arvo. As for the scope I've only had it out to sight in but everything seems to work as it should only 2 little gripes is the parallax adjustment doesn't have distance indicators on the side just a line for 100m and the dial up turret doesn't have lines as you wind up so you have to make sure you count properly. Like I said only miner and for the money not a bad package