Thread: Is buying 69 firearms from GunCity in 18 months signs of an addiction ?

Originally Posted by square1

Hmmm I disagree. What if crappier prison conditions resulted in a reduction in crime?

Doesn't work. It just means they'd have less to lose when they play up. Have you actually been inside a prison? They are miserable, soulless shit holes, full of angry bastards with nothing to do with their days but get angrier.

presumably shitty prisons will make the inmates resent society further and feel more alienated from it


but this isn't really a debate to be had here, we're kinda way off track

Till the dog bites back

Complete agree Gimp.

Also helps to see this whole debate from the perspective of either you or a family member being in prison for whatever reason... If you were behind bars, how would you like to be treated ?

The "hard labour, zero rehabilitation" approach definitely breeds more repeat offenders in my view.

Problem is prison is too late, programs like the Naenae boxing academy etc do more to help young guys getting their shit sorted than any prison rehabilitation program ever would...

Originally Posted by ebf

Complete agree Gimp.

Also helps to see this whole debate from the perspective of either you or a family member being in prison for whatever reason... If you were behind bars, how would you like to be treated ?

The "hard labour, zero rehabilitation" approach definitely breeds more repeat offenders in my view.

Problem is prison is too late, programs like the Naenae boxing academy etc do more to help young guys getting their shit sorted than any prison rehabilitation program ever would...

I don't think it should be any of those things but simply a place where you end up with no freedom to go about your business. Not comfortable but not uncomfortable either. I was always of the belief that prisons were places to put lawbreaking people to keep "regular people" safe. Not really a punishment but more to keep the 2 sides apart.

ChrisF, I think you've go it in one mate. Well said.

I think David Tipple has a love hate relationship with the NZ Police - note he loves to hate them and he will be as obstructive as he can possibly be when it comes to dealing with them.
Has a civil libertarian political biasis but would have thought the time spent in the US Penal system might have moderated his views

Your forum name says it all

A robust and faultless justice system is needed before capital punishment could be looked at as an option otherwise the stakes are far too high and we all know that having a faultless justice system is about as likely as shooting a 14 pointer in Jaffa land from southland with an air pistol.


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how can I "like" that post twice?

Unlike it, then simply like it again. Done.

The penal system & public attitude has shifted bias so much that it seems more about rehabilitation of criminals, than punishing them.

Surely, victims of crime deserve justice for being wronged, as much if not more than society can be blamed for failing said criminals.
There is a lack of consequence.

This was on the Herald site today for anyone interested: Jail for selling $50k worth of firearms to criminals - National - NZ Herald News

And the typical Granny Herald (who have their pay for view subscription service ready to go - no big loss) have their agenda on 'easy' access and registration as per normal in the article.
But barely touch on the fact this scum bag somehow managed to get a license with 53 previous convictions in Australia!?

WTF? Isn't it then a vetting issue for NZ Police that allowed this guy to legally purchase the arms and ammo?

Another police licensing failure? Never


Imagine how easily universal registration would be handled!